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Apr 13, 2020 10:22:22   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I can't tell you how happy I am that you brought up this subject. I have a friend who owns two vehicles. He has put a vehicle battery charger on each of them since new. I believe both are 2013 models but am not positive. One is a Ford and the other a Jeep Grand Cherokee. The battery on the Ford recently died while he was shopping. He called AAA and they came to jump start the vehicle. He purchased a new battery for that vehicle and then purchased a new battery for the Jeep as well. As I said he keeps one or the other vehicle on a charger when not in use. He now has a battery charger on the brand new batteries when not in use.

I have owned a number of vehicles and have never put one on a battery charger. All have started up right away even if I have not driven the vehicle for maybe three weeks to a month on one occasion.

My friend and I have had discussions where I have told him I did not think the battery charger was necessary. He insists that it promotes longer life and keeps the batteries in better condition. My experience points to a different conclusion. Can someone give me the right answer or is it one of those things where, it depends? Presently we ar in So. CA but my vehicles are generally in much colder Western states, CO, ID and WY.

Dennis
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It's good to use a smart charger than varies output according to the need of the battery.

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Apr 13, 2020 10:25:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
TriX wrote:
I will just note that my MB still has the original battery after 14 years. I attribute that to several things: the battery is in the trunk where it stays cool (why don’t all manufacturers do that?), it has a low voltage cut-off that prevents deep discharge if you leave an accessory on (they should do that too), and it uses the same large AGM battery that is in the diesel engined cars. A replacement is almost $300 (remember when batteries cost $30?), but based on past experience, I’ll buy an OEM MB battery when this one fails.
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I've had batteries last ten years or more.

I've got you beat. When I was a kid, I remember making trips to Sears for a $10 battery.

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Apr 13, 2020 10:57:40   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
I have battery tenders hooked up to my vehicles, travel trailer, tractor and lawn mowers - picked them up at Harbor Freight for $5 on sale a few years ago - works great - no dead batteries.

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Apr 13, 2020 11:49:12   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Longshadow wrote:
Both excessive heat and cold kills batteries if they are not used regularly.
My five year batteries in Central Florida would last maybe three+ years, and that was with kinda with regular use.


This is in Southern CA where excessive heat and cold are basically unheard of.

Dennis

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Apr 13, 2020 11:51:05   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
jerryc41 wrote:
It's good to use a smart charger than varies output according to the need of the battery.


Yes Jerry I agree but that doesn't answer my question of whether it is a good idea to put a battery charger on a brand new battery and then keep it plugged in when the vehicle is not going to be used for a week.

Dennis

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Apr 13, 2020 12:01:26   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Yep. For Prius owners here:

Prius models need to be driven weekly for about 20 minutes to keep the high voltage traction battery and the 12-Volt accessory battery charged.

If a Prius has a “smart key system”, it can be disabled with a button under the dashboard. That makes it easier on the 12V.

Getting into a locked Prius requires a manual key. Getting to the 12V requires crawling over the back seat, removing a mat, lifting a flap, pulling an emergency hatch release, and then removing everything from the trunk to get to the right wheel well.

Changing the 12V is easy. Videos are on YouTube. (I’ve done it several times.) The battery is $200 to $240 because it’s an AGM type. But new OEMs have seven year warranties. Most last 5-10 years if treated properly. (i.e.; don’t drain them deeply!)
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I drive a Prius. I got one in 2005 and used it for commuting to work until I retired. Then I used the truck primarily because my clothes were frequently covered with noxious materials from the farm and I wanted to keep the Prius for the family car. The car would sit for a month at a time before I ran it occasionally in the summer (my wife had her own car which she preferred to drive). The battery died twice in the 12 years I had that car. The first time AAA took care of it. The second time I climbed over the back seat to open the hatch. I had to unload a lot of stuff to get at the release. It really would have been nice if the hatch could have been opened with a key. Supposedly there is a charging port in the engine compartment but I was not able to find it and it wasn't described in the manual.

Got a new Prius in 2017, mainly because it has better safety features and convenience features than the old model did. (The Prius got a backup camera in 2006, the year after I bought one). In 2018 I moved. The new house needed some things so I took the truck and left the car at home. I had the truck for about 2 months while the car sat idle. When I was done with the truck I drove it back and picked up the car. After 2 idle months the car had no problem starting up.

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Apr 13, 2020 12:07:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
A good trickle charger (stops when charged) will not hurt.
might not be necessary, but it won't hurt.
I would just start & run the car a bit if I'm home.

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Apr 13, 2020 12:29:06   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Longshadow wrote:
Interesting tidbit about the Zeppelins.


I thought so too. Otherwise they would have to release hydrogen as they burned off fuel.

So they would also retain all wastewater until they landed and could reup ballast.

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Apr 13, 2020 13:26:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
IDguy wrote:
I thought so too. Otherwise they would have to release hydrogen as they burned off fuel.

So they would also retain all wastewater until they landed and could reup ballast.


Details one would not normally think about.

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Apr 13, 2020 13:35:09   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I drive a Prius. I got one in 2005 and used it for commuting to work until I retired. Then I used the truck primarily because my clothes were frequently covered with noxious materials from the farm and I wanted to keep the Prius for the family car. The car would sit for a month at a time before I ran it occasionally in the summer (my wife had her own car which she preferred to drive). The battery died twice in the 12 years I had that car. The first time AAA took care of it. The second time I climbed over the back seat to open the hatch. I had to unload a lot of stuff to get at the release. It really would have been nice if the hatch could have been opened with a key. Supposedly there is a charging port in the engine compartment but I was not able to find it and it wasn't described in the manual.

Got a new Prius in 2017, mainly because it has better safety features and convenience features than the old model did. (The Prius got a backup camera in 2006, the year after I bought one). In 2018 I moved. The new house needed some things so I took the truck and left the car at home. I had the truck for about 2 months while the car sat idle. When I was done with the truck I drove it back and picked up the car. After 2 idle months the car had no problem starting up.
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I’ve heard of such. That hasn’t been our luck. We had two 2009s — one 12V battery lasted five years, the other one six. One was totaled, but we still have the other. It’s gone five and a half years on the OEM replacement, and it still tests strong under load.

My mother-in-law bought a 2015 Prius v (wagon) in 2018. When we test drove it, it had been sitting on the dealer’s lot for three weeks. The 12-Volt had to be replaced before it would start, so she got a new battery with the car.

My 2010 had been sitting at the dealer for three weeks in 2018, with the original battery. I bought the car, and two weeks later, the 12-Volt died. They gave me a new one, no hassle required.

Oh, that jump point? On most Priuses, it’s in the fuse box. Negative lead clamps to the frame, positive lead to the jump terminal.

If the hybrid HV battery is completely exhausted, the car will NOT start without special equipment. The car has no starter! One of the motor-generators starts the car. It runs on the HV battery.

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Apr 13, 2020 14:39:43   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
burkphoto wrote:
... The car has no starter! One of the motor-generators starts the car. It runs on the HV battery.


So, no more Bendix gears.

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Apr 14, 2020 05:32:17   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A couple of friends had their car batteries go dead because of lack of use. There is always a drain on batteries while they are in the car.


Go to a parts store and buy a trickle charger That’s what I did with my motorcycle out of my Porsche.

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Apr 14, 2020 05:42:51   #
Manglesphoto Loc: 70 miles south of St.Louis
 
jerryc41 wrote:
A couple of friends had their car batteries go dead because of lack of use. There is always a drain on batteries while they are in the car.


Jerry: I have a 1999 Explorer that sometimes sits for 2-4 months without starting and running, so far it starts every time ! Now that I have said that it probably won't start, I have been using it a lot since the weather has warmed up (no heater).
The "normal" drain on a battery is minimal, usually when a battery goes dead after sitting for a few weeks the battery is probably getting ready to fail or there is a heavier than normal drain. My 2018 Grand Caravan has sat up to 4 weeks with a Garmin GPS on constantly with no problem.

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Apr 14, 2020 06:40:34   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Shellback wrote:
I have battery tenders hooked up to my vehicles, travel trailer, tractor and lawn mowers - picked them up at Harbor Freight for $5 on sale a few years ago - works great - no dead batteries.



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Apr 14, 2020 07:00:14   #
cochese
 
I have always spent the extra to get AC Delco batteries, and were the only ones we woould sell a customer when I ran a garage. They are in my opinion the very best. We recently traded our 2012 subaru. When we bought it the battery died in a year. Dealer said it covered but pro rated. I insisted they put the amount covered towards a Delco. 8 years later thart battery was still perfect. I have a Delco in my garden tractor that iis 6 years old and one i my larger tractor that is 9 years old. I never charge them and both may sit months without running. Although my larger tractor is a diesel so I have a battery heat wrap that is tied to the block heater. Hard to getna diesel going to plow snow when it is below zero!

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