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Apr 7, 2020 14:23:22   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I upgraded from a T2i to the 80D and have been very happy with it. The 90D is incrementally better than the 80D. There are many improvements made over those years. My favorite are the fully articulated screen, the fact that it is a touch screen which is VERY helpful for changing camera settings, and the better low light performance (ability to focus and lower noise). There are, I'm sure, more, but those are my favorite.

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Apr 7, 2020 15:36:15   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Grandpa Mike wrote:
I am considering purchasing the above camera (replacing my 10+year old XTi)
I am a hobbiest, shooting a little bit of everything including high school sports. I did a search here on UHH for reviews and didn’t find anything. Does anyone have any experience or offer any insight with this camera?

Thanks in advance for the assistance..


Here ya go....

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-90D.aspx

Bryan's reviews are very thorough and good. He specializes in Canon, too.... so is able to make a lot of comparisons.

I'm very impressed with the 90D... but I'm probably not going to be buying one.

I use a pair of 7D Mark II for much of my work. While I'd like to have the newer sensor and higher resolution of the 32.5MP 90D, and it's 10 fps frame rate matches the speed of my cameras, my 7DIIs have:

- A higher durability rating... 200,000 "clicks", versus 120,000 with 90D.
- Better build quality, mostly magnesium exterior panels, better dust/weather sealing.
- A better, more customizable and configurable AF system. The 90D's 45-point AF system is very good... But the 7DII's 65-point system is still better. It uses a discrete chip to run it (in addition to the dual processors handling the images). The 90D uses a single Digic 8 processor to handle everything. While I haven't directly compared them, I'm confident ini the 7DII's ability to quickly acquire and track fast moving subjects (my sports photography subjects). In addition, 7DII have seven AF patterns, where the 90D has five. Missing from the 90D are the two Expansion Point patterns, which I use often.
- With 7DIIs I also get and use dual memory card slots.
- Both cameras have 100% viewfinders and a true pentaprism. The 7DII has slightly higher magnification with 1.0X, compared to 0.95X in 90D.
- The battery grips I use on my 7DIIs also have more complete controls than the grip available for the 90D. The 90D has a joystick now, but its grip doesn't. 90D uses same grip as 70D and 80D, I believe... those cameras didn't have a joystick on the body, so didn't need one on the grip. I have used cameras without this feature and it's inconvenient. My 7DIIs have both a joystick for AF point selection and a toggle to switch focus patterns, both on the body and on its matched grip. I do a lot of vertical/portrait orientation shots, and really wouldn't want to be without a complete, secondary set of AF controls on the grip too.

I would like to have the LCD and Live View AF system the 90D enjoys. But LV isn't something I use a whole lot. Maybe I'd use it more if I had a better system, though the 7DII's really ain't bad. The 90D also has an articulated LCD Touch Screen, which would be nice at times. The 7DII's is a fixed LCD and isn't a Touch Screen. I'm okay with that, though the 90D setup would be nice.

Coming from XTi the 90D would be a super upgrade for you. here are some comparisons with your camera (which was called 400D in some markets):

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-90D-vs-Canon-EOS-400D
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/canon-90d-vs-canon-xti

The following link compares 90D DSLR, M6II mirrorless and some other current Canon APS-C DSLRs with your XTi:
https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=canon_eos90d&products=canon_eosm6ii&products=canon_eos200d&products=canon_eos250d&products=canon_eos800d&products=canon_eos850d&sortDir=ascending

FYI, the EOS M6 Mark II mirrorless camera uses the same Live View AF system (both in its electronic viewfinder and on its LCD screen). And it shares the new 32.5MP sensor and very high frame rate. 90D uses a bigger battery and gets a whole heck of a lot more shots per charge, but someone who is considering moving to mirrorless might want to look at the M6II as an alternative to the 90D. The M6II doesn't have a built-in viewfinder, but it can use the excellent EVF-DC2 or earlier EVF-DC1. The only problem with this is that the viewfinder fits into the camera's hot shoe, so that's no longer available to use with an accessory flash, whenever the accessory viewfinder is in use. There are some neat things about mirrorless cameras you might want to look into and consider, since an upgrade is a good time to make the switch if you wish. Simply search "Mirroless versus DSLR" and you'll get a lot of discussion. But the high points are that mirrorless can be smaller and lighter. They also use an electronic viewfinder that gives you a preview of exposure and can provide features like focus peaking to help with manual focus lenses. That EVF is a power hog, though... so they generally get a lot fewer shots per charge. That wouldn't matter if you are like a lot of people, only shooting a few hundred images here and there. It's a problem for me, I often shoot 3000 to 5000 images at a sporting event and would need a whole bunch of spare batteries to use a mirrorless camera!

I'm assuming you have some EF-S or "crop only" lenses now. All the above are compatible with those, so you shouldn't need to spend more on lenses too (as you would if you changed brands or 'upgraded" to a full frame model). Note that the M6II uses a different EF-M mount and there's rather limited native lens selection for it... But an adapter is available that allows all EF/EF-S lenses to be used on it. Third party lenses (i.e., not Canon) in EF mount, particularly older ones, may or may not work properly when adapted.

You may need new software in order to work with the 90D's images. JPEGs... no problem. But if you shoot RAW, the 90D (and M6II) produces the new CR3 format files. Those will require a relatively recent RAW conversion program. Canon provides Digital Photo Pro (often abbrev. "DPP") for free. It may be included on a disk with the camera, or can be downloaded from the Canon websites. Programs such as Adobe Photoshop Elements 2020 are more comprehensive (and can be expanded with plug-ins and add-ons like Elements+), not expensive at around $100, but it's on top of the camera purchase.

You also may need newer, bigger, faster memory cards. They'll fill up a lot faster with a 32.5MP camera, than they did with a 10MP! Depending upon how much you shoot, computer hard drives and backups also will fill faster and can be another necessary expense.

I'll wait for Canon to introduce the 7D Mark III... But that might never happen. When they introduced the 90D, Canon presented it as a replacement for both the 80D and the 7DII. I don't think so and there appear to be some other 7DII users who feel the same. But, hey, Canon isn't asking us what we want! (I'm also waiting for an EOS M5 Mark II... basically same as the M6II, except with a built-in viewfinder. I may just buy an original M5 anyway.)

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Apr 7, 2020 15:48:39   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
I forgot to mention, the DPAF (dual pixel auto focus) is a boon to Live View focusing and video.

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Apr 7, 2020 16:30:38   #
Photocraig
 
The primary difference between HS sports and "Youth Sports" is the marked increase in the physical cpabilities of teh players--some are men and women at 18 or so. This manifests itself is speed and teh size of eh playing fields. Also, HS Basketball in most places is played in well lit gyms. Surely not all places, but any HS build after 1990 should have well lit court lighting and lighting for teh bleachers. Same for teh Outdoor fields.

SO, in short, a camera and lens choice for HS sports needs to be more robust in Frames per second and High ISO performance and perhaps the faster tele-zoom for indoors. Or a longer reach tele going for the larger fields and perhaps, more restricted access. But like every level up in sports the major difference is the SPEED of the athletes and the speed of the ball---baseball, softball, football or basketball or volleyball. A 16-18 year old will propel that orb MUCH faster that the kid he or she was just yesterday.

I remember when I shot HS Basketball with a slow range finder and a Folding Polaroid. OK for teh day, and got the shots into the paper the next day--without a Darkroom. WOW, what a modern DSLR would have dome.................!?!?

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Apr 7, 2020 16:32:25   #
Todd G
 
I just got it a few months ago and love it. Beautiful pics. Of course every new camera (my second) has a learning curve but not steep. Shoots great 4 k vid which was one of the factors that made move there from my rebel t7i. So glad I got it. Waiting for my road trip vacation in August to really use it some more

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Apr 7, 2020 17:52:49   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Here ya go....

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EOS-90D.aspx

Bryan's reviews are very thorough and good. He specializes in Canon, too.... so is able to make a lot of comparisons.

I'm very impressed with the 90D... but I'm probably not going to be buying one.

I use a pair of 7D Mark II for much of my work. While I'd like to have the newer sensor and higher resolution of the 32.5MP 90D, and it's 10 fps frame rate matches the speed of my cameras, my 7DIIs have:

- A higher durability rating... 200,000 "clicks", versus 120,000 with 90D.
- Better build quality, mostly magnesium exterior panels, better dust/weather sealing.
- A better, more customizable and configurable AF system. The 90D's 45-point AF system is very good... But the 7DII's 65-point system is still better. It uses a discrete chip to run it (in addition to the dual processors handling the images). The 90D uses a single Digic 8 processor to handle everything. While I haven't directly compared them, I'm confident ini the 7DII's ability to quickly acquire and track fast moving subjects (my sports photography subjects). In addition, 7DII have seven AF patterns, where the 90D has five. Missing from the 90D are the two Expansion Point patterns, which I use often.
- With 7DIIs I also get and use dual memory card slots.
- Both cameras have 100% viewfinders and a true pentaprism. The 7DII has slightly higher magnification with 1.0X, compared to 0.95X in 90D.
- The battery grips I use on my 7DIIs also have more complete controls than the grip available for the 90D. The 90D has a joystick now, but its grip doesn't. 90D uses same grip as 70D and 80D, I believe... those cameras didn't have a joystick on the body, so didn't need one on the grip. I have used cameras without this feature and it's inconvenient. My 7DIIs have both a joystick for AF point selection and a toggle to switch focus patterns, both on the body and on its matched grip. I do a lot of vertical/portrait orientation shots, and really wouldn't want to be without a complete, secondary set of AF controls on the grip too.

I would like to have the LCD and Live View AF system the 90D enjoys. But LV isn't something I use a whole lot. Maybe I'd use it more if I had a better system, though the 7DII's really ain't bad. The 90D also has an articulated LCD Touch Screen, which would be nice at times. The 7DII's is a fixed LCD and isn't a Touch Screen. I'm okay with that, though the 90D setup would be nice.

Coming from XTi the 90D would be a super upgrade for you. here are some comparisons with your camera (which was called 400D in some markets):

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-90D-vs-Canon-EOS-400D
https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/canon-90d-vs-canon-xti

The following link compares 90D DSLR, M6II mirrorless and some other current Canon APS-C DSLRs with your XTi:
https://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=canon_eos90d&products=canon_eosm6ii&products=canon_eos200d&products=canon_eos250d&products=canon_eos800d&products=canon_eos850d&sortDir=ascending

FYI, the EOS M6 Mark II mirrorless camera uses the same Live View AF system (both in its electronic viewfinder and on its LCD screen). And it shares the new 32.5MP sensor and very high frame rate. 90D uses a bigger battery and gets a whole heck of a lot more shots per charge, but someone who is considering moving to mirrorless might want to look at the M6II as an alternative to the 90D. The M6II doesn't have a built-in viewfinder, but it can use the excellent EVF-DC2 or earlier EVF-DC1. The only problem with this is that the viewfinder fits into the camera's hot shoe, so that's no longer available to use with an accessory flash, whenever the accessory viewfinder is in use. There are some neat things about mirrorless cameras you might want to look into and consider, since an upgrade is a good time to make the switch if you wish. Simply search "Mirroless versus DSLR" and you'll get a lot of discussion. But the high points are that mirrorless can be smaller and lighter. They also use an electronic viewfinder that gives you a preview of exposure and can provide features like focus peaking to help with manual focus lenses. That EVF is a power hog, though... so they generally get a lot fewer shots per charge. That wouldn't matter if you are like a lot of people, only shooting a few hundred images here and there. It's a problem for me, I often shoot 3000 to 5000 images at a sporting event and would need a whole bunch of spare batteries to use a mirrorless camera!

I'm assuming you have some EF-S or "crop only" lenses now. All the above are compatible with those, so you shouldn't need to spend more on lenses too (as you would if you changed brands or 'upgraded" to a full frame model). Note that the M6II uses a different EF-M mount and there's rather limited native lens selection for it... But an adapter is available that allows all EF/EF-S lenses to be used on it. Third party lenses (i.e., not Canon) in EF mount, particularly older ones, may or may not work properly when adapted.

You may need new software in order to work with the 90D's images. JPEGs... no problem. But if you shoot RAW, the 90D (and M6II) produces the new CR3 format files. Those will require a relatively recent RAW conversion program. Canon provides Digital Photo Pro (often abbrev. "DPP") for free. It may be included on a disk with the camera, or can be downloaded from the Canon websites. Programs such as Adobe Photoshop Elements 2020 are more comprehensive (and can be expanded with plug-ins and add-ons like Elements+), not expensive at around $100, but it's on top of the camera purchase.

You also may need newer, bigger, faster memory cards. They'll fill up a lot faster with a 32.5MP camera, than they did with a 10MP! Depending upon how much you shoot, computer hard drives and backups also will fill faster and can be another necessary expense.

I'll wait for Canon to introduce the 7D Mark III... But that might never happen. When they introduced the 90D, Canon presented it as a replacement for both the 80D and the 7DII. I don't think so and there appear to be some other 7DII users who feel the same. But, hey, Canon isn't asking us what we want! (I'm also waiting for an EOS M5 Mark II... basically same as the M6II, except with a built-in viewfinder. I may just buy an original M5 anyway.)
Here ya go.... br br url https://www.the-digital... (show quote)

I have several cameras, including a Pentax Q-7, a MILC without an EVF. For most situations I need flash I don’t need an EVF, so the OP may be able to get by with the M6ii - may not need a ‘hot shoe’ for EVF when it has a flash mounted.

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Apr 7, 2020 18:16:33   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Grandpa Mike wrote:
I am considering purchasing the above camera (replacing my 10+year old XTi)
I am a hobbiest, shooting a little bit of everything including high school sports. I did a search here on UHH for reviews and didn’t find anything. Does anyone have any experience or offer any insight with this camera?

Thanks in advance for the assistance..


I got my 90D before going on safari in Africa last fall. It's a great camera. Take a look at my safari posts to see the results.

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Apr 7, 2020 18:20:27   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rehess wrote:
I have several cameras, including a Pentax Q-7, a MILC without an EVF. For most situations I need flash I don’t need an EVF, so the OP may be able to get by with the M6ii - may not need a ‘hot shoe’ for EVF when it has a flash mounted.


The 90D is a major step above the M6 MII. Also the lenses for the 90D are all future proof with the RF system being 100% compatible. The M6 MII is dead end out of the M platform The M platform is excellent but you are stuck with it. So the 90D allows you to grow into EF FF or RF mount seamlessly. Much better and with the great sensor supersedes all other crop cameras in IQ.

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Apr 7, 2020 21:53:46   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
Architect1776 wrote:
The 90D is a major step above the M6 MII. Also the lenses for the 90D are all future proof with the RF system being 100% compatible. The M6 MII is dead end out of the M platform The M platform is excellent but you are stuck with it. So the 90D allows you to grow into EF FF or RF mount seamlessly. Much better and with the great sensor supersedes all other crop cameras in IQ.


R/t lenses with RF system is that with or without an adapter?

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Apr 8, 2020 00:00:33   #
FaZediamond678
 
Grandpa Mike wrote:
I am considering purchasing the above camera (replacing my 10+year old XTi)
I am a hobbiest, shooting a little bit of everything including high school sports. I did a search here on UHH for reviews and didn’t find anything. Does anyone have any experience or offer any insight with this camera?

Thanks in advance for the assistance..


I have one and enjoy it very much. Yes I would think that it would be a good one. When you get good with it you will notice that it will let you have your cake and let you eat it too.

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Apr 8, 2020 00:18:18   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
suntouched wrote:
R/t lenses with RF system is that with or without an adapter?


With an adapter.

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Apr 8, 2020 06:34:03   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
suntouched wrote:
R/t lenses with RF system is that with or without an adapter?


R lenses need an adapter but no glass element in it like with EF cameras.

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