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Apr 7, 2020 08:36:39   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Thorburn wrote:
I know i spent many hours in a darkroom before digital cameras were ever thought of and have learned to use digital cameras and software. So,YES i consider myself a photographer then and now.


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Apr 7, 2020 08:37:28   #
Jack47 Loc: Ontario
 
locustthorn wrote:
Seems like now days almost anyone with the Photo Shop and all the software on line consider themselves a Photographer. Seems like with all this software anyone with a little computer knowledge can doctor up a print. So many go out claiming to be Wedding and event Photographers then go into a software and make things look good. Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer? What did you do before all this software?


Never was and never will be.

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Apr 7, 2020 08:45:30   #
LittleBit Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
locustthorn wrote:
Seems like now days almost anyone with the Photo Shop and all the software on line consider themselves a Photographer. Seems like with all this software anyone with a little computer knowledge can doctor up a print. So many go out claiming to be Wedding and event Photographers then go into a software and make things look good. Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer? What did you do before all this software?

“I opened that can of worms and had my behind ripped from one end to the other. The people on this website “love” photoshopping. Good luck !

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Apr 7, 2020 08:48:37   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The image is finished when the computer crashes.

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Apr 7, 2020 08:49:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The image is finished when the computer crashes.

literally...

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Apr 7, 2020 08:54:38   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
locustthorn wrote:
Seems like now days almost anyone with the Photo Shop and all the software on line consider themselves a Photographer. Seems like with all this software anyone with a little computer knowledge can doctor up a print. So many go out claiming to be Wedding and event Photographers then go into a software and make things look good. Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer? What did you do before all this software?

Same concept with sound. Does using Logic Pro or Adobe Audition mean an expert in recording, editing, mixing, and mastering mean he is just good with computers? Light is like acoustics, lenses, sensors, and microphones are still analog devices requiring skill handling sight and sound, and our eyes and ears have not evolved since man first ground a lens, plucked a string, or hummed a lullaby. The tools change, but skill is still skill and art is still art. Before software I used a darkroom. What about yourself?

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Apr 7, 2020 09:11:15   #
DanielJDLM
 
I started taking photographs with a Kodak Pony. You had to set f/stop, aperture and distance. When I went to college, I shot with a Konica Autoreflex T. I remember the magic moment when the print started to appear in the developer tray. I set up a complete darkroom at my parent’s house that summer. I studied, read about photography, composition, lighting and learned the Zone System. Over the years I went from taking photographs to making photographs. In 2007 I switched from Analog to Digital. Ansel Adams once wrote that he wished he could live long enough to see the switch from Analog to Digital. Do I use software to post process my digital photo files on my fine art work, model shoots, party photos, etc ? Of course I do!
Just like the days I used film, the print I envisioned in my head before I even brought the camera up to my eye takes shape in post processing. I am and have always been a photographer.

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Apr 7, 2020 09:12:48   #
SteveG Loc: Norh Carolina
 
Ysarex wrote:
I was a photographer -- still am and I use software now.

Joe


I don't? Am I? I did wedding and other events. Processed my own black and white and color using Cibachrome. I don't know, does that make me a photographer?

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Apr 7, 2020 09:15:25   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
SteveG wrote:
I don't? Am I? I did wedding and other events. Processed my own black and white and color using Cibachrome. I don't know, does that make me a photographer?

If you used a camera to get the images, yes.

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Apr 7, 2020 09:23:31   #
ELNikkor
 
My photographs begin in my mind, and are finished when I have used the tools necessary to achieve what I have visualized. Used to be arduous with a lot of darkroom work, now, many more variables are possible without the chemicals and finesse of dodging and burning, or choosing the right toners or filters. Most of my photos are still satisfactory SOOC, but some special compositions do need the manipulations provided by computer programs. Those programs do not make me less of a photographer.

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Apr 7, 2020 09:24:25   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
I am a photographer! I have been since I was about 10 years old (73 now). I have shot one wedding (refused to do more), wildlife, crime scene, fires scenes, forensic, wrecks, portraits, nature, animals and you name it. When in college I earned about half my tuition with my cameras and darkroom, and copy stand. I do not post process on computer, don't own PP software of any kind ( don't want any) and always shoot JPG and Nikon software. I use only Nikon cameras and lenses and (1) Sigma. If you can't take the picture you want with out the use of a computer, don' call yourself a photographer. It starts in the eye not the box.
I am a photographer! I have been since I was abou... (show quote)


How do you do digital photography without the use of a computer? If you shoot JPEG you are just letting the camera software process the image. When you shot film and used a darkroom were all your photographs straight prints on normal contrast paper? And photographers who use the computer to enhance their images aren't photographers at all? Ridiculous!

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Apr 7, 2020 09:33:17   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
camerapapi wrote:
The fact that we have today great cameras and excellent softwares do not qualify anyone using them as a photographer. Being a photographer goes beyond that.
I want to make sure you understand there are two types of photographers, amateurs and professionals. An amateur could be an experienced photographer or just a beginner depending on the degree of expertise. A professional we know is a person who actually makes a living with his cameras.

A person could be a computer and software guru and not exactly a photographer if we all understand that holding a camera in hands and taking pictures does not necessarily means producing images with enough quality to be called photographs. If the camera is not capable of producing through the use of the operator quality images I would not dare to call that person a photographer and understand that the camera could or could not be a professional camera with a professional lens. All of the computer and software manipulations available will not modify an image to the point of calling it a photograph. If trash comes in trash comes out if you understand what I am saying.

In the past, not that it is not done now, we were using film. A person with a camera needed to know what he or she was doing. Many photographers did their own development and printing and professionals for the most part took their work to a professional lab. A person using a
sLR, medium format but specially a large format camera had to be a photographer to produce good images and again, amateurs were capable of excellent images also. Today it is not that different and although anyone is capable of producing images not many of them can be called photographs irrespective of the use of software. A person that has never used a camera can use a camera today in AUTO mode and produce images but the quality of those images will not be to the level of a photographer.

I do not know if I am getting my message through but using a camera, amateur or professional does not qualify a person as a photographer nor the use of sophisticated software. Before the digital revolution I spent many years of my life shooting film and using a darkroom.
In spite of all that I consider myself an amateur that when necessary uses software to enhance and add beauty to his photographs.
The fact that we have today great cameras and exce... (show quote)


The idea that images from a camera are not photographs unless they meet some standard of quality is absurd. I'ver never seen a definition of photograph which sets some criteria of quality. So there is no such thing as a lousy photograph? They are not photographs at all? And who gets to decide which images are good enough to be called photographs? And who decides whether someone using a camera is good enough to be called a photographer? You'll never get a consensus.

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Apr 7, 2020 09:41:56   #
WessoJPEG Loc: Cincinnati, Ohio
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
I am a photographer! I have been since I was about 10 years old (73 now). I have shot one wedding (refused to do more), wildlife, crime scene, fires scenes, forensic, wrecks, portraits, nature, animals and you name it. When in college I earned about half my tuition with my cameras and darkroom, and copy stand. I do not post process on computer, don't own PP software of any kind ( don't want any) and always shoot JPG and Nikon software. I use only Nikon cameras and lenses and (1) Sigma. If you can't take the picture you want with out the use of a computer, don' call yourself a photographer. It starts in the eye not the box.
I am a photographer! I have been since I was abou... (show quote)


Love it, good answer.😎👍

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Apr 7, 2020 09:42:39   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
The picture is what you end up with. Good or bad is your opinion...

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Apr 7, 2020 09:47:47   #
wingclui44 Loc: CT USA
 
locustthorn wrote:
Seems like now days almost anyone with the Photo Shop and all the software on line consider themselves a Photographer. Seems like with all this software anyone with a little computer knowledge can doctor up a print. So many go out claiming to be Wedding and event Photographers then go into a software and make things look good. Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer? What did you do before all this software?


Using software in computer is just like using dark room for developing film in the old day, computer software is just electronic modern dark room!

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