Longshadow wrote:
I have a couple of editors I use.
I don't try stuff because it's a free trial,
I use what I have,
because they work for me.
I'm not going to waist my time trying dozens of editors that basically do the same thing differently, that I would have to learn how to use them to see if I like them.
You asked about C1, I was talking about C1 not dozens of editors.
JD750 wrote:
You asked about C1, I was talking about C1 not dozens of editors.
You missed my point, and I myself didn't ask about C1.
CamB
Loc: Juneau, Alaska
Ysarex wrote:
I'm a very long-term Adobe user. LR/PS is still installed on my computer because I get paid to teach it. For a working professional it's the best option and I tell my students that regularly.
I personally use Capture One. I made the switch back in 2011. We all have different goals. Real high on my list is a raw workflow that is 100% non-destructive and non-linearly re-editable. I get that from Capture One better than I get that from LR -- Capture One's editing tools are superior and allow me to complete an edit without resorting to a raster editor more so than LR. Credit where it's due it was LR that first suggested the possibility to me that I could cut the cord to the raster editor (PS). That's what got me to look at C1 in the first place. There's still an occasional image where I have to use PS, but they're few and far between now.
The image below is an example. It's a C1 exported JPEG and the editing is entirely done in C1. Below is a link to the raw file. You can download it and open it in LR and try using LR to remove the utility poles and wires as I did in C1.(Don't let the green Uni-WB white balance throw you just WB sample from a target in the image).
If you succeed you're a glutton for punishment. Make sure and time your effort. If you're an LR subscriber the task is no big deal just pass the image to PS, do the clone/heal work there and pass it back -- and that's what an LR user is going to do. My problem in doing that is you no longer have a 100% non-destructive raw workflow. In C1 I do.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rsmhq001pugwitt/_DSF0600.RAF?dl=0Joe
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That is a great house. I wonder what it originally was.
...Cam
Longshadow wrote:
You missed my point, and I myself didn't ask about C1.
Oh I see now what happened. You replied to my comment to garrickw, I thought you were OP.
I prefer to stay with what I know as well unless given good reason to change. For example when Apple discontinued support for Aperture that was a good reason to change.
But other people do things differently differently and that is fine.
For people contemplating change, there are free trials.
JD750 wrote:
Oh I see now what happened. You replied to my comment to garrickw, I thought you were OP.
I prefer to stay with what I know as well unless given good reason to change. For example when Apple discontinued support for Aperture that was a good reason to change.
But other people do things differently differently and that is fine.
For people contemplating change, there are free trials.
Sometimes I get bit if I have too many tabs open here...
Ditto. Unless something has a gee-whiz-bang thing in it that I didn't know I needed, I'm staying with what I have. I did get an additional editor YEARS ago because it was able to create animated GIFs
very easily.
CamB wrote:
That is a great house. I wonder what it originally was.
...Cam
A Sporting club. It's in southern Ill. and the region is being generally abandoned and given back to the Mississippi. In recent decades we've had a "500 to 1000" year flood every three or four years. The river is winning. Here's the Google Maps coordinates: 37.100734, -89.308541
Joe
Gene51
Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
garrickw wrote:
Hi everyone was wondering the people using capture one like the most about it over Lightroom or Photoshop
Better, faster results, reliable tethering, the closest you can get to a finished image without using a raster editor. But in a comparison to Photoshop, Photoshop wins hands down. There is NOTHING that can be done to an image that you can't do with Photoshop. Capture One is really good, but has the same limitations that all parametric editors share - imprecise editing/masking, inability to use color channels and color spaces, layer blend modes, custom brushes and blend modes, frequency separation, the list is endless.
Here is an intermediate level edit of a man's headshot that would be extremely difficult to do with just a parametric editor.
https://fstoppers.com/post-production/awesome-video-how-retouch-shiny-skin-1523And an illustration of precisely what is going on with frequency separation
https://fstoppers.com/post-production/ultimate-guide-frequency-separation-technique-8699I use both Capture One and Lightroom - and a few other raw converters - they are not all created equal - and one sometimes can do for an image that the others cannot. I didn't switch, I just added. Capture One was my first raw converter. I added Lightroom later. I've been a PHotoshop user since the 90s - but never cared for ACR's user interface, and was never a big fan of Bridge.
Ysarex wrote:
A Sporting club. It's in southern Ill. and the region is being generally abandoned and given back to the Mississippi. In recent decades we've had a "500 to 1000" year flood every three or four years. The river is winning. Here's the Google Maps coordinates: 37.100734, -89.308541
Joe
That’s a nice club house. For some reason it reminds me of a riverboat. I used to visit Southern Illinois frequently but I don’t think I saw that.
In the long run, the river always wins.
Gene51 wrote:
Better, faster results, reliable tethering, the closest you can get to a finished image without using a raster editor. But in a comparison to Photoshop, Photoshop wins hands down. There is NOTHING that can be done to an image that you can't do with Photoshop. Capture One is really good, but has the same limitations that all parametric editors share - imprecise editing/masking, inability to use color channels and color spaces, layer blend modes, custom brushes and blend modes, frequency separation, the list is endless.
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No argument that Photoshop is the ultimate image editor. It is however a raster editor and comes with raster overhead and raster baggage, but that's not what has me posting this.
That list of limitations that
all parametric editors share is a bit exaggerated -- all images below directly from parametric editors:
First image below shows some pretty precise masking.
Second image shows color/saturation changes using the separate a & b channels of the Lab color space.
Third image shows an increase of contrast/saturation from applying a Soft Light blend mode.
Fourth image uses frequency separation to apply some skin retouch.
Not aware of custom brushes in a parametric editor but your list just got a little shorter. Great to have PS there in the wings in case I ever need it -- almost never do.
Joe
miked46
Loc: Winter Springs, Florida
I switched to Luminar from Lightroom, and I didn't like Capture One.
Vintage lenses which were more suited as doorstops.
tomcat wrote:
Aaaahhhh, Bob. Ya beat me to it, ha. Also I might add the trail of abandoned lenses too.
I've started a list:
1. A "travel" lens that was only used once
2. Dozens of flash modifiers
3. Countless impulse sprees looking for the perfect small camera bag (all were too small)--seems no one makes a medium sized travel bag
4. So many pocket cameras that are great for sunshine but not worth a hoot indoors in dim light--including those "infamous" Sony RX100-xx series
5. A do-all, be-all wide angle to telephoto combo
6. Accessory ditty bags
Please feel free to add to the list
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When I hit #4 with my RX100 vii, I pull out the A7III. One of the best low light cameras I have ever held.
I could be a rare bird but I use proprietary software for my images. I use Nikon and View NX2 and Olympus with Workspace. Why proprietary software instead of Lightroom, Photoshop or Capture One? Understand that proprietary software was specifically made by the manufacturer of the camera that in the majority of the cases offers the software for free. Because it was specifically made to edit the files of the camera manufacturer the result is that we get the most accurate colors when printing the file is a priority. If the file is going to be used for the Internet then proprietary software is not that important.
I have discussed this with many printing technicians and in one occasion with an electronic engineer working with computers and they advise me to use always proprietary software as the first step in editing.
I have not regretted following the advise.
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