Longshadow wrote:
Brings up the question: What's a
professional post processor? Not an amateur post processor.
How long does one have to be post processing to be considered a professional post processor?
Definitely something to think about, but not too long, it tends to start hurting after a while.
Sometimes I believe people post these off the wall opinionated ideas/questions to provoke a stimulating conversation, and sometimes because they are firmly stuck in a different time, and sometimes because they are truly clueless. What does the question, are you a true photographer, even mean. Is he talking about true photographs vs not true photographs?! The whole idea of, true photographers don't post process, is pretty much absurd. Sure, one can set the parameters in the camera for each photograph, but that could be a big waste of time and in many situations, be the cause of missed photos.
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Definitely something to think about, but not too long, it tends to start hurting after a while.
Sometimes I believe people post these off the wall opinionated ideas/questions to provoke a stimulating conversation, and sometimes because they are firmly stuck in a different time, and sometimes because they are truly clueless. What does the question, are you a true photographer, even mean. Is he talking about true photographs vs not true photographs?! The whole idea of, true photographers don't post process, is pretty much absurd. Sure, one can set the parameters in the camera for each photograph, but that could be a big waste of time and in many situations, be the cause of missed photos.
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As for those who purport "My way or the highway",
I'm
on the road again,....
A "True" Photographer implies that anyone else is a fake or false or inferior. The issue is more complicated by people who take photos and make money from doing it. Call them a professional photographer even if they do paparazzi grab shots of embarassing moments or drone pics, etc. Don't mean to disparage people who do BBB or real estate, etc. They can all be a way to earn a living. But, most will never try to raise their work up to the levels of the greats in their primary field of picture taking. I believe the difference is the 'sweat equity' of working with your eyes, your mind, your equipment and the subject/lighting/composition/post processing, etc. to make yourself better. Maybe actually try to copy another photographer's style or technique as a way to learn to become better. You can't develop your personal style until you have worked to master your craft as well as develop your personal style/styles. - This is a journey. It can last a lifetime, if you continue to be devoted to being better/getting better. - This is my journey.
Longshadow wrote:
Y'all just keep adding different adjectives in front of the word photographer...
but each phrase contains the word photographer.
Just different types and sub-types, but they're all photographers.
That is more or less my point.
Paul Diamond wrote:
A "True" Photographer implies that anyone else is a fake or false or inferior. The issue is more complicated by people who take photos and make money from doing it. Call them a professional photographer even if they do paparazzi grab shots of embarassing moments or drone pics, etc. Don't mean to disparage people who do BBB or real estate, etc. They can all be a way to earn a living. But, most will never try to raise their work up to the levels of the greats in their primary field of picture taking. I believe the difference is the 'sweat equity' of working with your eyes, your mind, your equipment and the subject/lighting/composition/post processing, etc. to make yourself better. Maybe actually try to copy another photographer's style or technique as a way to learn to become better. You can't develop your personal style until you have worked to master your craft as well as develop your personal style/styles. - This is a journey. It can last a lifetime, if you continue to be devoted to being better/getting better. - This is my journey.
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Whether one's level is up to the greats or not, they are still photographers.
They just don't get to use the adjective "great" in front of the word photographer. ....Yet.
locustthorn wrote:
Seems like now days almost anyone with the Photo Shop and all the software on line consider themselves a Photographer. Seems like with all this software anyone with a little computer knowledge can doctor up a print. So many go out claiming to be Wedding and event Photographers then go into a software and make things look good. Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer? What did you do before all this software?
I've got nothing against anyone who decides to shoot SOOC, but, with your poor assumption that post processing is just about "doctoring up a a print", I don't see any basis for a meaningful discussion with you on the subject. Perhaps you should have considered educating yourself on post processing a bit before posting.
Among the things you might have discovered is that jpegs straight out of the camera are all post processed in your camera with limited user control over sharpness, color tone, picture style, contrast etc. To repeat, you are already performing post processing, on every one of your images but with much less control over the results than you would get with post processing software. You are also allowing the engineers who came up with your camera's post processing algorithms to decide what's best for you and what your images should look like. Shooting raw, which is not processed in camera, and using post processing software allows you to make those decisions yourself, not unlike dodging and burning in the dark room back in the film days. SOOC jpegs certainly have an important place in photography, but, they are not a panacea.
If you let automated technology, designed by others, make the decision for you about what your images will look like, perhaps you have gotten things a bit backwards about who the
true photographers are.
It’s better to create something that others criticize than to create nothing and criticize others.
CHG_CANON wrote:
It’s better to create something that others criticize than to create nothing and criticize others.
True, but not as much fun for some people.
Paul Diamond wrote:
A "True" Photographer implies that anyone else is a fake or false or inferior. The issue is more complicated by people who take photos and make money from doing it. Call them a professional photographer even if they do paparazzi grab shots of embarassing moments or drone pics, etc. Don't mean to disparage people who do BBB or real estate, etc. They can all be a way to earn a living. But, most will never try to raise their work up to the levels of the greats in their primary field of picture taking. I believe the difference is the 'sweat equity' of working with your eyes, your mind, your equipment and the subject/lighting/composition/post processing, etc. to make yourself better. Maybe actually try to copy another photographer's style or technique as a way to learn to become better. You can't develop your personal style until you have worked to master your craft as well as develop your personal style/styles. - This is a journey. It can last a lifetime, if you continue to be devoted to being better/getting better. - This is my journey.
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There is no fake photographer. Inferior ones sure. But that has nothing to do with whether one is a professional.
Mac
Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
locustthorn wrote:
Seems like now days almost anyone with the Photo Shop and all the software on line consider themselves a Photographer. Seems like with all this software anyone with a little computer knowledge can doctor up a print. So many go out claiming to be Wedding and event Photographers then go into a software and make things look good. Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer? What did you do before all this software?
I agree with what you say.
People replace the sky, and/or background and/or foreground and think they are great photographers when all they have is a computer generated image, not a photograph.
Mac wrote:
I agree with what you say.
People replace the sky, and/or background and/or foreground and think they are great photographers when all they have is a computer generated image, not a photograph.
If all the images used are photographs, then it is still a photograph. Computer generated images come entirely from the computer with no photographs involved. Photographers have been making composite images virtually since the invention of photography. They have always been considered photographs. Why is it different when it is done on a computer instead of a darkroom?
If someone takes a photo, good or bad, someone will want to know who the photographer is that took the photo.
Every successful photographer is driven by an inner voice telling them everyone else is using PhotoShop.
locustthorn wrote:
Would anyone without this software consider themselves a true Photographer?
Define "true Photographer".
locustthorn wrote:
What did you do before all this software?
Take pictures. But now with software I can take pictures and then easily get them to reveal what my eyes saw but the camera is incapable of recording.
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