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Mar 11, 2020 09:59:56   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
dpullum wrote:
The Obama admin had set up a system to deal with potential epidemics and pandemics. Trump in his wisdom got rid of that system.

There will be future threats; Bacteria and Viruses forever mutating. Bacteria for example: when we use antibiotics only the strong bacteria survive and then go on to be incurable ... easily tolerating the antibiotics that killed their ancestors.


Yes, and someone avoided/ignored the questions about dismanteling the Pandemic response units. Who needs scientist and experts? Well, the US population does!!!!

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Mar 11, 2020 10:14:25   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
daldds wrote:
To Traderjohn:
Sorry I did not make myself more clear. As I said, I am 85 years old. I remember how the US rebuilt our "enemies' " countries after WWII, and how for years after led the world in health research, manufacturing, etc, etc. I also remember how DDE reacted to the death camps and ultimately became a Republican president for whom I voted. I remember working as a summer replacement in a factory earning a working man's salary, which I banked, while fathers were supporting families, sending kids to college, and saving, with that same salary.
So when I say the Republican Congress, that is simply stating a fact. I watch all the news programs, including Fox. Who I listen to are the experts, the virologists, the people with MDs, PhDs,and years and decades of experience. What I've learned is that we are NOT responding in a timely fashion. Trying to subpoena Hunter Biden or anyone else at this critical time should NOT be on any list of priorities.
I worry because we are not the country of my early years, which did not use politics as a vitriolic weapon, but as a method to improve the lives of the governed.
Stay healthy, and wash your hands!
To Traderjohn: br Sorry I did not make myself more... (show quote)


daldds,

Not exactly correct. We are responding rather quickly despite what the media and some politicians and so called "experts" are pontificating about. The CDC and state and local health departments have been implementing preparedness activities since December when the virus was first reported out of China. Not only have the heath departments been conducting these activities, but so has numerous hospitals. Ramping up an entire country to do anything takes time. Government regulations, policies, laws, etc., cause further delays.

They have been diligent in reviewing and revising plans, conducting inventories, ordering supplies, checking contact lists, coordinating with CDC daily, activating emergency operations centers (24/7), conducting drills and exercises of plans and procedures, etc. All in preparation for a possible COVID-19 pandemic. They are doing all this in conjunction with working the current FLU PANDEMIC, which is not being reported by the media or officials.

The USA has responded to this virus event much faster and more directly than we did with the H1N1 virus in 2009 and with much less fatalities.

Be careful with what the media says and doesn't say. Call your local health department to find out what they have been and are doing for accurate information.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 10:18:12   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
daldds wrote:
These percentages show how few deaths are occurring so far, but the fact is, they go to 100% if a loved one dies. I am 85 years old, healthy, very nervous, and very watchful about crowds.
Today, Ron Johnson, whose committee ultimately is responsible for the federal response to the current crisis is heading the Republican Congress's pursuit into getting subpoenas of Hunter Biden.
We are far behind the curve now. He is one of the reasons.


We can all see that the current administartion is way behind the curve in the response effort, they can downplay it all they want, till the Whitehouse Chief Of Staff tested positive, they will be wiping down AF1 hourly!! DT might have to forego his weekly golf retreats to Maralago.......and address the issue. The bad is that a Chinese Bat Virus might take down many of us (The CDC stated that those over 60 and those with compromised immune systems are in real danger), and I take them seriously. AND that it takes from 5-to-14 days to show symptoms in those infected is a real problem for all of us. Warmer weather is supposed to kill/knock down the virus, so let's hope it does.....give us a chance to develop something to knock out the virus, besides my UVC-lamp!!

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Mar 11, 2020 10:22:53   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
mas24 wrote:
The Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 killed 675,000 Americans alone. Not including the rest of the world. The H1N1 Flu of 2009, killed 284;000 people. We also had SARS and Ebola. Ebola was primarily an African Continent problem. Let's just hope that the Coronavirus does not become a 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. Or the 2009 H1N1 Flu. The 18 elderly that died in a rest home in America was shocking. I believe this Coronavirus will pass, just as the previous respiratory diseases became. And, after this passes. The WHO and the CDC, should be better prepared, to cope with the next global respiratory diseases, that become global. Whenever it comes?. Students from the USA, studying in Italy, have been recalled back home immediately. A first time adventure that soon ended for them. A store manager, told me yesterday, that her trip to Venice, Italy has to be postponed. No refunds, but you have one year to reschedule the trip. Better later, than never. Best defense is washing your hands regularly. And, don't touch your mouth and nose.
The Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 killed 675,000 Am... (show quote)


It might help to know that the US now has 0.0003% of the population infected with Covid-19. If all the cases in in China are counted this amounts to 0.006% of the population if China. Much fewer are infected today.

The world has 7 billion inhabitants. 17 million die each year from infectious diseases. Between 12,000 and 61,000 die annually from the Flu and about 34 million are infected in the US. Around 10,000 people are murdered in the US each year. The number of folks murdered in the US is more than have died in China.


The world has gone nuts. Calm down a relax a bit.

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Mar 11, 2020 10:34:33   #
Toby
 
printer273 wrote:
Does anybody else feel the news media is way out of control on this, yes we must be concerned but they are creating mass panic. You can’t trust what they report anymore as being totally true. Sad that they can sway people’s thinking by what and the way they report the news. Doomsday media is causing many problems in many areas in the US.


I don't feel that the "media" is misleading except for one network. Rather than start a political fight I will skip naming it. I suggest that if you are interested in learning about the Covid 19 virus (or anything) you listen to a true news channel. One that does not offer opinions and gives a balanced report. If you listen with an open mind you will soon figure out which networks are honest.

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Mar 11, 2020 10:35:16   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
mas24 wrote:
The Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 killed 675,000 Americans alone. Not including the rest of the world. The H1N1 Flu of 2009, killed 284;000 people. We also had SARS and Ebola. Ebola was primarily an African Continent problem. Let's just hope that the Coronavirus does not become a 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic. Or the 2009 H1N1 Flu. The 18 elderly that died in a rest home in America was shocking. I believe this Coronavirus will pass, just as the previous respiratory diseases became. And, after this passes. The WHO and the CDC, should be better prepared, to cope with the next global respiratory diseases, that become global. Whenever it comes?. Students from the USA, studying in Italy, have been recalled back home immediately. A first time adventure that soon ended for them. A store manager, told me yesterday, that her trip to Venice, Italy has to be postponed. No refunds, but you have one year to reschedule the trip. Better later, than never. Best defense is washing your hands regularly. And, don't touch your mouth and nose.
The Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 killed 675,000 Am... (show quote)


One has to keep in mind that antibiotics and modern medical treatments were not available the time of the Spanish flu pandemic. We have no idea what the morbidity and mortality rates would be in todays medical environment.

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Mar 11, 2020 11:17:01   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
olemikey wrote:
We can all see that the current administartion is way behind the curve in the response effort, they can downplay it all they want, till the Whitehouse Chief Of Staff tested positive, they will be wiping down AF1 hourly!! DT might have to forego his weekly golf retreats to Maralago.......and address the issue. The bad is that a Chinese Bat Virus might take down many of us (The CDC stated that those over 60 and those with compromised immune systems are in real danger), and I take them seriously. AND that it takes from 5-to-14 days to show symptoms in those infected is a real problem for all of us. Warmer weather is supposed to kill/knock down the virus, so let's hope it does.....give us a chance to develop something to knock out the virus, besides my UVC-lamp!!
We can all see that the current administartion is ... (show quote)


olemikey,

You would be very surprised to learn about all the safety devices installed on the Air Force 1 planes. There are high speed air filtration systems that protect against various nuclear, biological, and radiological hazards. They are even more robust now than when I worked with the Secret Service as an Master Army Explosive Ordnance Disposal Officer under Presidents Reagan and Bush. The planes are scrubbed routinely and the Secret Service agents do not take any chances. They learned their lessons with President Kennedy and take their protection jobs very seriously indeed.

The President is "downplaying" the hype because that is what is needed at this time. Panicky behavior gets people killed. The worse part about this threat currently s that it is new and the world is learning as it progresses.

The reported fatality rate of about 3% is based on the proven infections versus the proven deaths from COVID-19. As more test kits become available, and the lab capacities to conduct the tests increase, there will be more reported COVID-19 infections. That increase in infection numbers will REDUCE the fatality rate. It is expected that the actual fatality rate, when this season's virus outbreak ends, will be around 0.1 - 0.5%. That will be very much lower than the current flu virus and H1N1 from 2009.

How can this be a Bat Virus, when the bats were hibernating during the outbreak and there were no bat carcasses ever discovered in the Huwan market place? That was a supposition by some so called "expert" early on when China first reported the outbreak. There was also early reports that this was a bio agent accidently/purposely released into the market by the Chinese from their bio lab in town. No further speculation has been made about that report to date. The truth is that most, if not all, the world does not know the origins of this strain of the corona virus.

Are you aware that the current flu vaccine, according to the CDC, is only 10 - 30% effect for this year's strain of flu? That is one reason we are in a pandemic situation now. That and the fact that people don't take the annual flu threat seriously. This one is infecting and killing older folks with immune compromises AND killing children and babies whereas COVID-19 is not killing babies and children.

Don't fall for the panic syndrome. Take the standard precautions, wash your hands regularly, and stay away from sick people. You will survive.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 11:17:26   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Every news report I have read has taken pains to quote health experts and practitioners. So who have you been reading?

printer273 wrote:
Does anybody else feel the news media is way out of control on this, yes we must be concerned but they are creating mass panic. You can’t trust what they report anymore as being totally true. Sad that they can sway people’s thinking by what and the way they report the news. Doomsday media is causing many problems in many areas in the US.

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Mar 11, 2020 11:19:27   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
Toby wrote:
I don't feel that the "media" is misleading except for one network. Rather than start a political fight I will skip naming it. I suggest that if you are interested in learning about the Covid 19 virus (or anything) you listen to a true news channel. One that does not offer opinions and gives a balanced report. If you listen with an open mind you will soon figure out which networks are honest.


Skip the news channels Toby. Instead, checkout the CDC website at www.cdc.gov/coronavirus for current and much more accurate information without all the hype of the media.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 11:23:37   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
daldds wrote:
To Traderjohn:
Sorry I did not make myself more clear. As I said, I am 85 years old. I remember how the US rebuilt our "enemies' " countries after WWII, and how for years after led the world in health research, manufacturing, etc, etc. I also remember how DDE reacted to the death camps and ultimately became a Republican president for whom I voted. I remember working as a summer replacement in a factory earning a working man's salary, which I banked, while fathers were supporting families, sending kids to college, and saving, with that same salary.
So when I say the Republican Congress, that is simply stating a fact. I watch all the news programs, including Fox. Who I listen to are the experts, the virologists, the people with MDs, PhDs,and years and decades of experience. What I've learned is that we are NOT responding in a timely fashion. Trying to subpoena Hunter Biden or anyone else at this critical time should NOT be on any list of priorities.
I worry because we are not the country of my early years, which did not use politics as a vitriolic weapon, but as a method to improve the lives of the governed.
Stay healthy, and wash your hands!
To Traderjohn: br Sorry I did not make myself more... (show quote)


👍👍👍👍👍

Stan

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Mar 11, 2020 11:24:15   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
jackm1943 wrote:
One has to keep in mind that antibiotics and modern medical treatments were not available the time of the Spanish flu pandemic. We have no idea what the morbidity and mortality rates would be in todays medical environment.


Yes, the Spanish Flu, which actually began at a military camp in Kansas, was made worse due to wartime (World War I) censorship. That is the reason that version of the flu was named the Spanish Flu. Spain was the first country during the war to report the flu, the infections, and casualties.

At the time our medical profession did not know much about treating virus infections, let alone identifying them in the first place. The standard medical practices actually resulted in more deaths. The world learned from that threat, and many others. We will learn from this one too and make the future safer until the next variation occurs in nature or by man.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 11:44:37   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
Avoid the "Salad Bar" and the buffet type restaurants for there are far too many hands touching the tongs and spoons. Worse yet, many times they are thrown into the tubs so the handles are in with the lettuce which is quite nasty flu season or not.

Also, use your debit or charge card for "cash" is also quite a good transmitter due to the number of hands touching it from transaction to transaction.

Avoid "touch screen" conveniences for the number of hands touching them are far too many. Carry your own touch rubber tip pen whenever you have to use one.

Washing hands and using sanitizers are of course very wise although it is more effective against bacteria than it is against a virus. "Antibacterial" is not "Anti-Virus". Scientist are still unclear as to whether a virus is a living organism for it does not adhere to what is understood scientifically to be considered alive and that's why it is so difficult to combat them.

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Mar 11, 2020 11:57:09   #
Daryls Loc: Waco, TX
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
Avoid the "Salad Bar" and the buffet type restaurants for there are far too many hands touching the tongs and spoons. Worse yet, many times they are thrown into the tubs so the handles are in with the lettuce which is quite nasty flu season or not.

Also, use your debit or charge card for "cash" is also quite a good transmitter due to the number of hands touching it from transaction to transaction.

Avoid "touch screen" conveniences for the number of hands touching them are far too many. Carry your own touch rubber tip pen whenever you have to use one.

Washing hands and using sanitizers are of course very wise although it is more effective against bacteria than it is against a virus. "Antibacterial" is not "Anti-Virus". Scientist are still unclear as to whether a virus is a living organism for it does not adhere to what is understood scientifically to be considered alive and that's why it is so difficult to combat them.
Avoid the "Salad Bar" and the buffet typ... (show quote)


The idea behind washing is that the soap and water, coupled with a good scrubbing (friction), will allow the water rinse to remove the virus particles from your ski and down the drain where it will die or be killed in the water treatment system.

A high level of rubbing alcohol (60% strength or higher according to the CDC) will kill the virus, almost instantly. It should still be washed off your skin.

Daryl

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Mar 11, 2020 13:02:06   #
ICN3S Loc: Cave Junction, OR
 
printer273 wrote:
Does anybody else feel the news media is way out of control on this, yes we must be concerned but they are creating mass panic. You can’t trust what they report anymore as being totally true. Sad that they can sway people’s thinking by what and the way they report the news. Doomsday media is causing many problems in many areas in the US.


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Mar 11, 2020 13:04:41   #
ICN3S Loc: Cave Junction, OR
 
Daryls wrote:
daldds,

Not exactly correct. We are responding rather quickly despite what the media and some politicians and so called "experts" are pontificating about. The CDC and state and local health departments have been implementing preparedness activities since December when the virus was first reported out of China. Not only have the heath departments been conducting these activities, but so has numerous hospitals. Ramping up an entire country to do anything takes time. Government regulations, policies, laws, etc., cause further delays.

They have been diligent in reviewing and revising plans, conducting inventories, ordering supplies, checking contact lists, coordinating with CDC daily, activating emergency operations centers (24/7), conducting drills and exercises of plans and procedures, etc. All in preparation for a possible COVID-19 pandemic. They are doing all this in conjunction with working the current FLU PANDEMIC, which is not being reported by the media or officials.

The USA has responded to this virus event much faster and more directly than we did with the H1N1 virus in 2009 and with much less fatalities.

Be careful with what the media says and doesn't say. Call your local health department to find out what they have been and are doing for accurate information.

Daryl
daldds, br br Not exactly correct. We are respond... (show quote)

You are absolutely correct!

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