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Feb 28, 2020 13:38:09   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
The concept of composition is simply where you place the elements within the four sides of the picture (the picture plane). The goal is to keep the viewer interested in the work. The analogy I use in my art classes is the artists job is to keep viewers interested in looking at their work, if a viewer looks at a piece of art and quickly moves to the next piece, the artist didn't do a very good job. People will spend a long time staring at the Mona Lisa because there is so much to visually explore. One of the ways an artist can keep the viewer interested is through composition which is essentially the interesting placement of the elements within the picture plane. The ROT is just one of many ways to place the elements in your picture, it is probably the most well know and common but not the only way.
As for "Rules are meant to be broken" IMHO that's a cop-out for people who don't understand what composition is and why we use it. I had a college professor comment on that idea, his take was, you learn the rules so that you know when to break them and why. I always thought that was good advice. I think that's why the most successful artists study the masters of painting, sculpture, photography, etc. and use that work as inspiration for their own work. Breaking rules without knowing what you are doing and why just leads to anarchy, and a lot of meaningless art.

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Feb 28, 2020 13:42:59   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
How so?
Gene51 wrote:
Rules are meant to be broken.

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Feb 28, 2020 15:53:33   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Gene51 wrote:
Rules are meant to be broken.


....But... Not always and continuous, right? As in Always putting the subject where the center sensor is (or the split screen in the center of an older camera)? I see a lot of that here on UHH! As if, recomposing is just too much of a hassle!

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Feb 29, 2020 00:01:11   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Helpful discussion.
MrMophoto wrote:
The concept of composition is simply where you place the elements within the four sides of the picture (the picture plane). The goal is to keep the viewer interested in the work. The analogy I use in my art classes is the artists job is to keep viewers interested in looking at their work, if a viewer looks at a piece of art and quickly moves to the next piece, the artist didn't do a very good job. People will spend a long time staring at the Mona Lisa because there is so much to visually explore. One of the ways an artist can keep the viewer interested is through composition which is essentially the interesting placement of the elements within the picture plane. The ROT is just one of many ways to place the elements in your picture, it is probably the most well know and common but not the only way.
As for "Rules are meant to be broken" IMHO that's a cop-out for people who don't understand what composition is and why we use it. I had a college professor comment on that idea, his take was, you learn the rules so that you know when to break them and why. I always thought that was good advice. I think that's why the most successful artists study the masters of painting, sculpture, photography, etc. and use that work as inspiration for their own work. Breaking rules without knowing what you are doing and why just leads to anarchy, and a lot of meaningless art.
The concept of composition is simply where you pla... (show quote)

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Feb 29, 2020 00:40:15   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
MrMophoto wrote:
The concept of composition is simply where you place the elements within the four sides of the picture (the picture plane). The goal is to keep the viewer interested in the work. The analogy I use in my art classes is the artists job is to keep viewers interested in looking at their work, if a viewer looks at a piece of art and quickly moves to the next piece, the artist didn't do a very good job. People will spend a long time staring at the Mona Lisa because there is so much to visually explore. One of the ways an artist can keep the viewer interested is through composition which is essentially the interesting placement of the elements within the picture plane. The ROT is just one of many ways to place the elements in your picture, it is probably the most well know and common but not the only way.
As for "Rules are meant to be broken" IMHO that's a cop-out for people who don't understand what composition is and why we use it. I had a college professor comment on that idea, his take was, you learn the rules so that you know when to break them and why. I always thought that was good advice. I think that's why the most successful artists study the masters of painting, sculpture, photography, etc. and use that work as inspiration for their own work. Breaking rules without knowing what you are doing and why just leads to anarchy, and a lot of meaningless art.
The concept of composition is simply where you pla... (show quote)



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Feb 29, 2020 08:33:00   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
MrMophoto wrote:
The concept of composition is simply where you place the elements within the four sides of the picture (the picture plane). The goal is to keep the viewer interested in the work. The analogy I use in my art classes is the artists job is to keep viewers interested in looking at their work, if a viewer looks at a piece of art and quickly moves to the next piece, the artist didn't do a very good job. People will spend a long time staring at the Mona Lisa because there is so much to visually explore. One of the ways an artist can keep the viewer interested is through composition which is essentially the interesting placement of the elements within the picture plane. The ROT is just one of many ways to place the elements in your picture, it is probably the most well know and common but not the only way.
As for "Rules are meant to be broken" IMHO that's a cop-out for people who don't understand what composition is and why we use it. I had a college professor comment on that idea, his take was, you learn the rules so that you know when to break them and why. I always thought that was good advice. I think that's why the most successful artists study the masters of painting, sculpture, photography, etc. and use that work as inspiration for their own work. Breaking rules without knowing what you are doing and why just leads to anarchy, and a lot of meaningless art.
The concept of composition is simply where you pla... (show quote)


And then here’s one possible historical perspective on the matter of the so-called “Rule of Thirds” that I have used in my classes.


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Feb 29, 2020 09:46:32   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Uuglypher wrote:
And then here’s one possible historical perspective on the matter of the so-called “Rule of Thirds” that I have used in my classes.


.... THAT is awesome!! Thank you, Uuglypher!! ... Whooohooo!!

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Feb 29, 2020 14:54:29   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
.... THAT is awesome!! Thank you, Uuglypher!! ... Whooohooo!!


Wow!
You are very welcome!
Dave

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Feb 29, 2020 16:31:01   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
yorkiebyte wrote:
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~ OK. One of the tools in my photographic bucket is the so-called “Rule of Thirds” for Composition. EVERY image I take is taken with that in mind - EVERY image. Now, part of that process is to determine if this “Rule” applies to the image I’m about to create. Should it be centered?? Sometimes that is a Yes. Should it be Quartered? Maybe. Not ALL the time. Most of my images fall under the Rule of Thirds category. It is what I was taught early on in my imaging endeavor and has stuck quite truly. It’s a classic.
~ Here at UHH, I find that a lot of people know about the Rule of Thirds. I see the axiom “Rules are Made to be BROKEN” thrown around here quite a bit to the point that it seems that CENTERING the subject in the frame is VERY much the norm - for a lot of people/artists here!
~ In my humble opinion, it would seem that in MANY of the images posted here at UHH, many, many would, compositionally, look and have more feeling than the quick CENTER Autofocus sensor can deliver. Focus and Recompose, comes to mind or move to a different sensor. I know, I know - BIF is a total thing in itself so that is not a consideration with this post. To me, BIF is “GET the Dang Shot!!”
~ I'm NOT bashing anyone here - this is just a general observation. Meant to see what others think. I am not judging right or wrong with this. Curiosity.

...Anyways… looking at your OWN images, are you SATISFIED with what you are doing Compositionally with your images?? Is the Subject Centered, the normal composition you desire?
^ Please Post an image!! Let us see your point!! ...Whooohooo!!!
. br ~ OK. One of the tools in my photographic buc... (show quote)


All the rules of compositions are over rated. Do what looks good to you...its called style.

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Feb 29, 2020 16:51:18   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
joer wrote:
All the rules of compositions are over rated. Do what looks good to you...its called style.



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Mar 1, 2020 13:36:07   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Good morning. Thanks for showing fun with effective composition.
Uuglypher wrote:
And then here’s one possible historical perspective on the matter of the so-called “Rule of Thirds” that I have used in my classes.

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Mar 1, 2020 14:17:23   #
Uuglypher Loc: South Dakota (East River)
 
anotherview wrote:
Good morning. Thanks for showing fun with effective composition.


Hi, another view,
You are very welcome. I find that composition is, indeed, fun; particularly the decision process involved in deciding whether it be more creative to adhere to the conventions, or to purposefully violate them creatively!

Dave

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Mar 1, 2020 14:26:21   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Uuglypher wrote:
Hi, another view,
You are very welcome. I find that composition is, indeed, fun; particularly the decision process involved in deciding whether it be more creative to adhere to the conventions, or to purposefully violate them creatively!

Dave


...Hear Hear!!! : "deciding whether it be more creative to adhere to the conventions, or to purposefully violate them creatively!"
Mmmmhmmm!! Thank you, Uuglypher!!

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Mar 1, 2020 17:46:31   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
joer wrote:
All the rules of compositions are over rated. Do what looks good to you...its called style.


Alas, I’ve seen way too many members of photography clubs and groups whose “style” would have benefited from at least occasionally following some of the conventions of composition! I’ve seen far fewer “good” images where those conventions were ignored than when they were utilized!

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Mar 1, 2020 17:59:33   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
Alas, I’ve seen way too many members of photography clubs and groups whose “style” would have benefited from at least occasionally following some of the conventions of composition! I’ve seen far fewer “good” images where those conventions were ignored than when they were utilized!


.. In complete agreement!!

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