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Feb 25, 2020 13:29:37   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Saleavitt10 wrote:
My purpose is to protect my files by having the redundancy a properly raid system will give me. I have offsite storage of backup drives but want to have “backups” locally available as well.


RAID is certainly the way to go regarding redundancy of drives. But for backing up, the way to go is the cloud. Carbonite backs up my files in real time and I can download them instantly anywhere. Storing back up discs offsite does not do that.

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Feb 25, 2020 13:32:34   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Gene51 wrote:
The purpose of RAID is NOT backup. The primary goal of RAID is to provide Fault Tolerance and a)redundancy (mirroring), and b)increased performance (striping a single logical drive volume across multiple physical drives), by designating one or more parity drives to striped components. The whole point is to minimize downtime and keep data accessible. This is not a backup strategy, but a part of one.

In a quality external RAID box, not only are there redundant drives, but the box will also have redundant power supplies, I/O ports, etc to insure against data loss. When multiple I/0 ethernet ports are provided, the custom is to do port aggregation - where multiple ports are ganged together to provide a wider data path and faster I/O. All of these things, are hot swappable ie you don't have to shut down the appliance to replace failed components. Mirroring is an extremely inefficient use of multiple drives - but it is pretty safe. I use RAID 1+0 which is mirroring AND striping, for faster read-writes.

The scalability of RAID makes it ideal when you need to add capacity. You don't even have to shut down the system or copy things from one drive to another to increase capacity in a properly implemented array.
The purpose of RAID is NOT backup. The primary goa... (show quote)


Gene, you are absolutely right and I was careless in my wording. Thanks for explaining.

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Feb 25, 2020 13:40:15   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
abc1234 wrote:
Gene, you are absolutely right and I was careless in my wording. Thanks for explaining.


I read what you said originally, but knew what you meant :)

Of the hundreds of servers I purchased over my years managing networks, fault tolerance was SOP!

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Feb 25, 2020 13:49:27   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
Dngallagher wrote:
I read what you said originally, but knew what you meant :)

Of the hundreds of servers I purchased over my years managing networks, fault tolerance was SOP!


For a business network, you need something like RAID. I set it up in my business. However, for home use, I wonder how necessary it really is. We want to back up several things: the operating system, programs, program settings and, finally, data. You can do this without RAID but is more difficult and time-consuming to restore. Fortunately, we today's drives, we do not have the problems from years ago.

To answer my own question, you should probably use RAID at home. My problem is that I already have too many drives in my machine.

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Feb 25, 2020 14:12:22   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
abc1234 wrote:
For a business network, you need something like RAID. I set it up in my business. However, for home use, I wonder how necessary it really is. We want to back up several things: the operating system, programs, program settings and, finally, data. You can do this without RAID but is more difficult and time-consuming to restore. Fortunately, we today's drives, we do not have the problems from years ago.

To answer my own question, you should probably use RAID at home. My problem is that I already have too many drives in my machine.
For a business network, you need something like RA... (show quote)


I do not need the fault tolerance at home like in a 24x7 production environment, so use RAID for striping only to aggregate storage space across a pair of drives.

Using Time Machine I back up my OS, apps, images & data to a 10 TB external drive incrementally every hour. I also maintain a monthly mirror of my images and critical data on a 2 TB external kept in a fire resistant box, plus my images are backed up to cloud backup.

Losing my RAID stripe set would not be a major issue, as everything is available instantly on my Time Machine disk, my monthly mirror or if an image, through the cloud.

The key to a decent backup of course is test a restore to know you can get it done and what the time frame will be, if it takes too long, revisit the decisions and factor in fault tolerance needs.

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Feb 25, 2020 14:34:13   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Saleavitt10 wrote:
My purpose is to protect my files by having the redundancy a properly raid system will give me. I have offsite storage of backup drives but want to have “backups” locally available as well.


A RAID system is not "backups". It is a (single) backup.
The redundancy is used to ensure the drive as a whole does not fail. Even though there may be several drives with the same data on them, they are not independent copies, and corruption of one may lead to corruption of all the mirrored copies.

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Feb 25, 2020 19:33:01   #
TBerwick Loc: Houston, Texas
 
I saw someone using Raid0. Please realize that Raid0 provides NO redundancy against data loss. Regardless of the number of drives employed in a Raid0, if one drive fails, then all data is lost. Always deploy, at a minmum, Raid1 which mirrors 2 like sized drives or better yet, Raid5 which employs a minimum of 3 drives up to 5 or 6 in small deployments. Then remember to back all data up using a cloud based solution like Carbonite, iDrive, etc.

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Feb 25, 2020 19:54:05   #
Magaliaman Loc: Magalia, CA
 
Saleavitt10 wrote:
Considering setting up a Raid system to store my growing photography collection. I’d like to get rid of the multiple external hard drives that currently hold the collection. I’d love to hear from those of you that use a Raid. Why you chose the one you have, etc.

Thanks in advance.


Like others have echoed, a RAID box doesn't negate the need for an offsite backup. I Know... after the fire in Paradise, you couldn't even recognize the burnt out shell of the RAID Array. I Lost every picture I ever had. Don't make the same mistake I did.

Gary

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Feb 25, 2020 20:15:41   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
TBerwick wrote:
I saw someone using Raid0. Please realize that Raid0 provides NO redundancy against data loss. Regardless of the number of drives employed in a Raid0, if one drive fails, then all data is lost. Always deploy, at a minmum, Raid1 which mirrors 2 like sized drives or better yet, Raid5 which employs a minimum of 3 drives up to 5 or 6 in small deployments. Then remember to back all data up using a cloud based solution like Carbonite, iDrive, etc.


I use RAID 0 to aggregate a pair of 3 TB drives into one logical 6 TB drive. I am not concerned with fault tolerance. I have incremental backups run every hour to a 10 TB external drive, a 2 TB monthly mirror of my images & critical data files and my images stored on Amazon Photo.

If I lose one of my RAID 0 drives, Easy enough to get to the back up data instantly, to use or restore it to another drive in my Probox external multi drive box.

When my WD duo craps out, or I lose one of the 3 TB drives in the array, I will simply pick up another 8-10 TB drive for my Probox and restore from my Time Machine disk, no harm no foul.

As I mentioned, backups need a tested plan confirmed to work.

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Feb 25, 2020 20:48:45   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
abc1234 wrote:
Gene, you are absolutely right and I was careless in my wording. Thanks for explaining.



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Feb 25, 2020 20:56:29   #
richandtd Loc: Virginia
 
I have 3 2TB solid state drives that I have configured as a raid 5. If one drive failed you replace it and the raid rebuilds. With the solid state drives its quite and quick with piece of mind. At least thats what I do.

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Feb 26, 2020 06:30:49   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
We used RAID 5 and only backed up the controller drive.
--Bob
Saleavitt10 wrote:
Considering setting up a Raid system to store my growing photography collection. I’d like to get rid of the multiple external hard drives that currently hold the collection. I’d love to hear from those of you that use a Raid. Why you chose the one you have, etc.

Thanks in advance.

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Feb 26, 2020 06:33:17   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Saleavitt10 wrote:
Considering setting up a Raid system to store my growing photography collection. I’d like to get rid of the multiple external hard drives that currently hold the collection. I’d love to hear from those of you that use a Raid. Why you chose the one you have, etc.

Thanks in advance.


I use a Drobo with five drive capacity. I swap one of the drives with one in my safety deposit box at the bank periodically for offsite storage.

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Feb 26, 2020 06:45:58   #
ISOlate Loc: Maine
 
Synology has a most effective solution for network attached storage. A Synology station can also be configured to synchronize itself with a second station (which can be in a different location) and/or to Synology cloud storage which is remarkably inexpensive. I Auto-synchronize LR with Synology RAID and synchronize that with an off-site Synology DiskStation. I wanted to increase capacity last year, just replaced each of the four drives one at a time (automatically rebuilding striped raid after each replacement) and it was done.

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Feb 26, 2020 07:30:20   #
aphelps Loc: Central Ohio
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Related issue. I am also considering a RAID. Do any of you routinely swap out a drive and put it in a remote location? I am considering doing a RAID and periodically (monthly?) putting a copy in our safe deposit box or even just in a metal box in my car.


I keep a backup drive in the safe deposit box and update it each month. That is in addition to external hard drives.

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