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Feb 15, 2020 07:07:36   #
jimkenny Loc: Palm Coast FL
 
I've just started using fuji film 200 with a new lomo lc~a+ 35 mm. developing with Cinestill and surprised by the amount of noise I'm getting. I stopped down to iso ton100, no help. At this iso I didn't expect any noise, I followed Cinestill developing instructions very close. I was shooting in daylight, sun and clouds. I've used Cinestill to develop some 120 film with no noise. Any ideas.

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Feb 15, 2020 07:15:30   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Yes, shoot digital. No noise at lower ISO and total control for better prints.

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Feb 15, 2020 07:18:27   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jimkenny wrote:
I've just started using fuji film 200 with a new lomo lc~a+ 35 mm. developing with Cinestill and surprised by the amount of noise I'm getting. I stopped down to iso ton100, no help. At this iso I didn't expect any noise, I followed Cinestill developing instructions very close. I was shooting in daylight, sun and clouds. I've used Cinestill to develop some 120 film with no noise. Any ideas.


Not sure what is being said here.
Film has no noise.It can have grain though. And generally you shoot film at the ISO it is rated at unless you push or pull it appropriately.

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Feb 15, 2020 07:59:55   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I shoot Fuji film and get no grain until I'm up into the 800 or 1600 (which isn't available anymore, I think) speeds. My normal film is 160 and it has amazing clarity with no grain.

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Feb 15, 2020 08:49:09   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
camerapapi wrote:
Yes, shoot digital. No noise at lower ISO and total control for better prints.


That's not trouble-shooting, that's giving up.

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Feb 15, 2020 08:51:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
As the basis for a discussion, post and store one or a few of the scanned files so we can see what you're seeing.



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Feb 15, 2020 09:38:48   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Unlike digital, film grain is inherent with the type (characteristics) of emulsion placed on the film, not the ISO at which it is shot.

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Feb 15, 2020 09:39:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Longshadow wrote:
Unlike digital, film grain is inherent with the type (characteristics) of emulsion placed on the film, not the ISO at which it is shot.



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Feb 15, 2020 09:52:15   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
jimkenny wrote:
I've just started using fuji film 200 with a new lomo lc~a+ 35 mm. developing with Cinestill and surprised by the amount of noise I'm getting. I stopped down to iso ton100, no help. At this iso I didn't expect any noise, I followed Cinestill developing instructions very close. I was shooting in daylight, sun and clouds. I've used Cinestill to develop some 120 film with no noise. Any ideas.

Exactly which ISO 200 Fujifilm are you using?

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Feb 15, 2020 09:55:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Architect1776 wrote:
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And generally you shoot film at the ISO it is rated at unless you push or pull it appropriately.


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Feb 15, 2020 11:10:56   #
jimkenny Loc: Palm Coast FL
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
As the basis for a discussion, post and store one or a few of the scanned files so we can see what you're seeing.


using fujifilm fujicolor 200. I just started developing color film at home. I'v been photographing for over 50 years, I've done mostly black and white. I've never experienced this noise or grain with such a slow iso. I have not seen this with other color films I've developed, only this film and this camera. I see these, I two pics are overexposed, I'm using the cameras meter.





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Feb 15, 2020 11:13:50   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
jimkenny wrote:
using fujifilm fujicolor 200. I just started developing color film at home. I'v been photographing for over 50 years, I've done mostly black and white. I've never experienced this noise or grain with such a slow iso. I have not seen this with other color films I've developed, only this film and this camera. I see these, I two pics are overexposed, I'm using the cameras meter.


You have to store the original. We can't see the details from just the thumbnails.



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Feb 15, 2020 11:17:45   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
jimkenny wrote:
using fujifilm fujicolor 200. I just started developing color film at home. I'v been photographing for over 50 years, I've done mostly black and white. I've never experienced this noise or grain with such a slow iso. I have not seen this with other color films I've developed, only this film and this camera. I see these, I two pics are overexposed, I'm using the cameras meter.

Did you see the grain on prints made from the negative or from the digital version?

In the age of film I used professional developing. I never saw grain from Fuji film until I used the ISO=1600 version.

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Feb 15, 2020 11:18:11   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
jimkenny wrote:
I've just started using fuji film 200 with a new lomo lc~a+ 35 mm. developing with Cinestill and surprised by the amount of noise I'm getting. I stopped down to iso ton100, no help. At this iso I didn't expect any noise, I followed Cinestill developing instructions very close. I was shooting in daylight, sun and clouds. I've used Cinestill to develop some 120 film with no noise. Any ideas.


Which Fuji film are you using? Color negative, Black and white? They all have different characteristics. 120 negatives are multiples larger than a 35mm neg, so grain isn't usually a problem.

Presuming you are talking black and white film, my first inclination would be to to check your developer and/or processing temperature.
I've never heard of Cinestill, but the old standbys...D-76 1:1, Kodak HC-110, and Ilford ID-11 still work just fine, and produce brilliant negatives, with reasonable grain.

If B&W, reducing the ASA (ISO) by half is massive overexposure, and definitely will cause problems. In the Dark (room) Ages, when cameras weren't as sophisticated, film manufacturers always rated their film 1 stop slower than realistic, to be sure everyone would get contrasty, overexposed negatives; YUK! but...they had a picture!

Color Negative film and Chromogenic films, which use C-41 chemicals and processing, (You are a brave man to do it!!)use clumps of dye to form the image, and do benefit from overexposure, because all are optimized for machine processing, which leads to thin negatives, if shot at the manufacturer's rating. Tri-X also can benefit from maybe a half-stop overexposure, for better shadow detail, given proper development.

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Feb 15, 2020 11:19:27   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
jimkenny wrote:
using fujifilm fujicolor 200. I just started developing color film at home. I've been photographing for over 50 years, I've done mostly black and white. I've never experienced this noise or grain with such a slow iso. I have not seen this with other color films I've developed, only this film and this camera. I see these, I two pics are overexposed, I'm using the cameras meter.

The pictures prove nothing we didn’t already know, of course. Color negative film requires C-41 chemistry, Cinestill is a black and white developer. I’m not familiar with using the wrong chemistry, but suspect that is your problem.

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