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Feb 10, 2020 15:26:47   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
skyspy wrote:
I just did another test. I do believe the higher the quality setting(61 megapixels) the worse the problem is. At standard quality (24 megapixels) you can't see the artifacts at any f-stop setting. So what I'm seeing are very, very small and aren't visible until higher quality settings


I disagree with that. My Sony a7iii can show dust spots just fine!!! I shoot RAW and I doubt that is a factor.

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Feb 10, 2020 15:32:41   #
Selene03
 
My a7iii was the worst of the Sonys I have owned in terms of dust. Came with it as a new camera, continued to get dust even when I wasn't changing lenses except once a day in very clean environments. Really defeated the purpose of having an ilc. Almost completely turned me away from Sony. I also shoot raw.

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Feb 10, 2020 15:59:40   #
skyspy
 
How do you explain the test? Everything was kept the same except the quality setting which definitely introduced the dust at the higher settings. Same lens.

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Feb 10, 2020 16:03:56   #
gouldopfl
 
Sony is famous for having dust problems
The Canon EOS R has a guard that comes down when the lens is not on the camera. Are you sure that this is on the sensor and not on the lens? I've been shooting mostly mirrorless for the past 6 months and I really don't have any issues like this

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Feb 10, 2020 16:08:41   #
ButchS Loc: Spokane, WA
 
Abo wrote:
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Very fast. The Earth rotates at 1000 mph.

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Feb 10, 2020 16:10:01   #
skyspy
 
I tried different lens on the same camera. The spots persist.

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Feb 10, 2020 17:48:59   #
tgreenhaw
 
skyspy wrote:
...I do believe the higher the quality setting(61 megapixels) the worse the problem is...


OK, now you have to tell us what kind of camera you are using. It makes a difference and I don't think it will influence responses at this point.

Some rules I live by: Keep it clean and in cases when not in use. Turn off the camera when changing lenses. Minimize the time a camera does not have a lens. Long term storage should be in ziploc bags with silica gel packets.

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Feb 10, 2020 18:02:22   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Seabastes wrote:
I understand the problem occurs the further down a lens is stopped down settings on a mirrorless camera.


Not just mirrorless. All cameras are subject to spots showing on the sensor and the more you stop down, the more defined these spots become.

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Feb 10, 2020 18:18:48   #
skyspy
 
I'm using a sony a7Riv. All images were taken at 61 megapixels. I tested against Sony a7Rii, Canon 5d and Canon 6d Mark II

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Feb 10, 2020 19:21:44   #
ButchS Loc: Spokane, WA
 
I still say the best thing you can do, is to take care of how you change lenses.

I have a number of Fuji mirrorless cameras. Only one has ever had a dust spot and it was easily removed with a rocket blower.

I also have a number of Nikon DSLR cameras. None of which has ever had any dust spots.

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Feb 10, 2020 19:26:04   #
tvhasben Loc: Chattanooga, Tennessee
 
aikiboy wrote:
I am not very experienced, by the way, but what I see in your photo looks more like a smear of something rather than specs of dust.


Without seeing the image at 100% I can't really tell, but it looks like what happened to an old Fujicolor S7000 I had, and that is a burn on the sensor from accidentally pointing at sun or bright light. Just to the right of the lineman you can see it in this pic from 2007


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Feb 10, 2020 19:45:05   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tvhasben wrote:
Without seeing the image at 100% I can't really tell, but it looks like what happened to an old Fujicolor S7000 I had, and that is a burn on the sensor from accidentally pointing at sun or bright light. Just to the right of the lineman you can see it in this pic from 2007


He said it moved around.

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Feb 10, 2020 19:59:14   #
GrandmaG Loc: Flat Rock, MI
 
skyspy wrote:
How do you explain the test? Everything was kept the same except the quality setting which definitely introduced the dust at the higher settings. Same lens.


When you answer, please use “quote reply” so we know who you responding to

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Feb 10, 2020 20:04:30   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
skyspy wrote:
In the attached image you can see what appears to be lint in the image in the upper left portion in the sky. I've been mirrorless cameras for over a year now and have noticed that the sensor is very hard to keep clean. I preformed a test using 2 mirrorless cameras and 2 cameras with mirrors. The camera specs were very similar, full frame with the same native resolutions. Each camera used a 300mm telephoto lens. Each camera was set up with aperture priority and an ISO of 400. The dust became noticeable at f-stops f16 and smaller on the mirrorless camera (f-16 thru f-32). The smaller the stop the more noticeable. The mirrored camera were free of any noticeable aberrations. Each lens was cleaned prior to the testing. The mirrorless camera sensors were cleaned according to the manufacturer instructions and then manually cleaned. All the cleaning did was move the aberrations around or even create new ones. Does the mirror protect the sensor in cameras with mirrors? Does the sensor in mirrorless cameras attract dust because of an electrical charge? Has anybody else noticed this issue on their mirrorless cameras? It is usually most noticeable in clear blue sky like the attachment.
In the attached image you can see what appears to ... (show quote)


Another thought. Are you using mainly long throw zoom lenses? They suck in air as the barrel extends. With the air comes anything in it. Apparently Sony bodies are especially leaky - something I did not know, as I have never owned one. My Fujis seem to be quite tight, and no dirt problems so long as care is taken changing lenses

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Feb 10, 2020 21:10:51   #
skyspy
 
CatMarley wrote:
Another thought. Are you using mainly long throw zoom lenses? They suck in air as the barrel extends. With the air comes anything in it. Apparently Sony bodies are especially leaky - something I did not know, as I have never owned one. My Fujis seem to be quite tight, and no dirt problems so long as care is taken changing lenses

No all of my zooms move lens internally and the length doesn't change. I generally don't use zooms and utilize fixed prime lens

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