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Feb 6, 2020 14:04:52   #
Sinewsworn Loc: Port Orchard, WA
 
coolhanduke wrote:
I used to work for a computer systems company in the early 80’s. CDC disk drives were the size of washing machines and held a multi platter disk that held a whopping 300mb of storage. Cost $20,000! And newspapers would buy 2, 1 for backup.

I just condensed a ton of CD disks onto my 5TB drive. Took up less than 1 TB.


In Uncle Sugar's Flying Circus (USAF) in the late 1960s we had "disk drives" where the platters were 10.5" across. Usually stacked in a set of seven. Housed in what looked like a washing machine, they provided video back-up of the North American Air Defense picture. 500kb I believe. Very fast, though.
Worked with the AN/FYQ-7 computer-largest ever built and used. Each Semi-Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) Direction Center had two- Bonnie and Clyde. Tubes the size of your head. One the Q-7s from Fort Lee Virginia is in the Smithsonian.

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Feb 6, 2020 14:27:16   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I just read the posting talking about the 32GB flashdrive as also being referred to as a 2TB drive. The 2TB is outright BS and I can only assume that it has been done deliberately to try and suck in the ignorant or the seller has absolutely no idea what he/she is talking about. I have never read as much unadulterated BS in my life.
I would need a 20TB flashdrive to hold all my backups so will have to pass on this as being an option.

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Feb 6, 2020 14:46:53   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
TriX wrote:
Just to make sure I understand, you’re mirroring (RAID 1) your primary drive to a second drive, and then mirroring to a 3rd drive that is stored off-site?


Sorry, I may not have been very clear.
I have an 8TB drive with a RAID1 configuration I copy to with Carbon Copy Cloner (MAC only app). This drive remains in-house.

Then I have a 2TB drive that I back up to also and that one I store off-site like in my man shed or garage.

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Feb 6, 2020 15:07:32   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
coolhanduke wrote:
Sorry, I may not have been very clear.
I have an 8TB drive with a RAID1 configuration I copy to with Carbon Copy Cloner (MAC only app). This drive remains in-house.

Then I have a 2TB drive that I back up to also and that one I store off-site like in my man shed or garage.


Sounds like you have a plan! Primary copy, backup copy and off-site DR copy.

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Feb 6, 2020 16:26:17   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
After you digest the reply’s here, you don’t have a backup scheme unless you test it. Just change the name of the path to your originals and actually try restoring them from the backup. Restoring after an actual failure in an adrenaline rich composure may not go well.

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Feb 6, 2020 16:34:50   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
After you digest the reply’s here, you don’t have a backup scheme unless you test it. Just change the name of the path to your originals and actually try restoring them from the backup. Restoring after an actual failure in an adrenaline rich composure may not go well.


Absolutely! Your backup is only as good as your ability to actually restore the files, and the time to test your system is NOT after your primary storage fails. Even with enterprise level backup SW, a (hopefully small) percentage of restores fail, and this causes extreme consternation in the IT staff and CIO while everyone in the department awaits the outcome (because they can’t work without their data).

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Feb 6, 2020 17:01:27   #
Dean Sturgis
 
I had a USB drive at broke I pulled the outer case off. My son saw a broken trace between the connector and the chip, he was able to re solder it with very fine soldering equipment. He worked in computer hardware development. I however only trusted the repair long enough to get the files off the device.

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Feb 6, 2020 17:53:36   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
yssirk123 wrote:
Checked on ebay, and it looks like what they're selling as 2TB is actually only 32GB of storage. I don't understand how they can label these drives as 2TB.


A 2 TB flash drive for $9, from eBay, just didn't appear to be legit. I never buy SD cards from eBay either. Other items are OK.

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Feb 6, 2020 19:12:46   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
mas24 wrote:
A 2 TB flash drive for $9, from eBay, just didn't appear to be legit. I never buy SD cards from eBay either. Other items are OK.


Let me point out that T is not far away from G on the keyboard. As a person who occasionally fat-fingers the keyboard, it's entirely possible that the item could be a 2GB flash drive, for which $9 is not an unreasonable price.

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Feb 6, 2020 20:05:13   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Let me point out that T is not far away from G on the keyboard. As a person who occasionally fat-fingers the keyboard, it's entirely possible that the item could be a 2GB flash drive, for which $9 is not an unreasonable price.


Unfortunately, there are many listings that say the same thing...a 2 TB thumb drive...

I posted a link about a scam. How a 32 Tb thumb drive was altered to report it was a 2 Tb drive, but upon use, as you store above 32 go it simply overwrites the files already on the drive.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-630812-2.html#10920792


You can find dirt cheap 2 TB thumb drives on Amazon also...I would not spend 1.00 for one of them either :)

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Feb 6, 2020 21:31:14   #
PGHphoto Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
yssirk123 wrote:
Checked on ebay, and it looks like what they're selling as 2TB is actually only 32GB of storage. I don't understand how they can label these drives as 2TB.


I am guessing their rational is that for document storage, the files are compressed. With a really poor drive architecture that uses very large blocks its possible that compression can save a huge amount of space with plain text files - but even then, its doubtful that the compression ratio would be 98.4% !!!!

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Feb 6, 2020 22:07:35   #
edellington
 
n4jee wrote:
I use an iPod to play music in the car and the battery finally needed replacing. I mailed it off to the iPod doctor and began experimenting with a thumb drive with music on it plugged directly into the same port that I plugged the iPod into. Lo and behold, it worked just the same. My radio only used the iPod for storage.

I went to the internet looking for a flash drive the same size as my iPod. I was amazed to find a 2TB thumb drive on eBay for under $9 with free shipping. Now, the size of the external drive that I use for storing my photo backups is 2 TB and cost me about $80. I bought one and will use it to back up the backup.

I remember when I had my first DOS computer built and had to pay an additional $25 for a 40 MB HD because they were out of the 20 MB that I wanted. I couldn't imagine what I'd do with all that storage after using 360K floppy disks for so long. Boy, has storage come down in price!

Has anybody experienced problems with using high capacity flash drives for storing their photos?
I use an iPod to play music in the car and the bat... (show quote)


I use the Carbonite cloud service that works very well in the background. www.carbonite.com

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Feb 8, 2020 13:48:01   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
n4jee wrote:
I use an iPod to play music in the car and the battery finally needed replacing. I mailed it off to the iPod doctor and began experimenting with a thumb drive with music on it plugged directly into the same port that I plugged the iPod into. Lo and behold, it worked just the same. My radio only used the iPod for storage.

I went to the internet looking for a flash drive the same size as my iPod. I was amazed to find a 2TB thumb drive on eBay for under $9 with free shipping. Now, the size of the external drive that I use for storing my photo backups is 2 TB and cost me about $80. I bought one and will use it to back up the backup.

I remember when I had my first DOS computer built and had to pay an additional $25 for a 40 MB HD because they were out of the 20 MB that I wanted. I couldn't imagine what I'd do with all that storage after using 360K floppy disks for so long. Boy, has storage come down in price!

Has anybody experienced problems with using high capacity flash drives for storing their photos?
I use an iPod to play music in the car and the bat... (show quote)


I never used flash drives for storage, nor would I ever, but I back up regularly ( I have 15 TB of storage)!

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Feb 9, 2020 08:53:12   #
Bison Bud
 
While I would not use a USB Flash drive for my primary or especially for my only backup, I do feel that they are acceptable for extra or reserve backups and have no qualms about using them in that capacity. While there is a possibility of failure without recovery, I know of no technical reason why data stored on one shouldn't last for years and I think they are an ideal storage medium for multiple backups to be stored off site. Besides, a typical platter type hard drive has moving parts that are somewhat prone to failure and I've lost more than one over the years. Yes, there is still a chance of recovery, but it's not cheap and having a flash drive or three with that same data can really save the day in event of failure. Frankly, I have yet to lose data on a flash drive although I did have one fail when I tried to reformat it. Afterward, it would not read, write, or reformat again so I don't do that anymore. Since I was doing a reformat, I expected to lose the files, so the only harm done was the loss of a $6.00 flash drive. Seems reasonable to me! Frankly, there is no perfect solution to backup storage short of having multiple copies stored in multiple places and flash drives can be a reasonable alternative that allows one to have several copies stored in different locations. The only real disadvantage I know of is that they do have limited storage and are rather slow, but considering the cost savings, I can deal with that. Works for me, but your mileage may vary.

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Feb 9, 2020 11:40:18   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Flash drives are fine for backup.
Flash drives are not suitable for archival storage.

There's a difference in my opinion between backup and archives.

Backup is used for files that you expect to use in the near future. "Near future" is subjective and could mean within a couple years.

Archives are used for files that you are consigning to history. They are important to keep, but you don't expect to need them for a long time.

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