Kobe Investigation (Page 5): From Flying Magazine: https://www.flyingmag.com/story/news/bryant-helicopter-ntsb-statement/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email The communication part of...

AirWalter Loc: Tipp City, Ohio

From Flying Magazine:

https://www.flyingmag.com/story/news/bryant-helicopter-ntsb-statement/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email

The communication part of this video is confusing. I never could understand how control tower people and pilots understand each other. Be sure and click on the "Aftermath" link in the article. A lot of unnecessary accidents.

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

AirWalter wrote:

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I just got this, seems to me the most comprehensive so far!

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2020/january/27/weather-likely-a-factor-in-bryant-crash?utm_source=epilot&utm_medium=email

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

nimbushopper wrote:

I just got this, seems to me the most comprehensive so far!

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/2020/january/27/weather-likely-a-factor-in-bryant-crash?utm_source=epilot&utm_medium=email

A pilot said the helicopter was at 3200 feet, then descended to1085 feet. I don't know who to believe now. An experienced pilot, or what the NTSB has told the News Media?

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

ecar wrote:

From all of the available information, br br The ... (show quote)

Basic airmanship, stay at an altitude above terrain when not visible.

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

The following statement from the on scene NTSB investigator convinces me that the pilot most likely experienced vertigo because the standard rate of decent in instrument meteorological conditions is 500 fpm. So to be doing 2000fpm down in a left turn while less than 2000ft from the ground tells me that he lost control of the aircraft!

“We know that the helicopter was at 2,300 feet when it lost communications with air traffic control,” Homendy said. “The descent rate for the helicopter was over 2,000 feet a minute, so we know that this was a high-energy impact crash, and the helicopter was in a descending left bank.”

Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles

Kobe's SAFE route into Camarillo airport: As you can see, it's a piece of cake. I am puzzled that the pilot did not use this or one of the several other safe, legal IFR approaches. Any chopper pilots here to comment.?

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pilot64 Loc: Atlanta, GA

"GetThereItis" has killed alot of people. Bad decision making, shouldI go, maybe I should turn back, maybe I need to get above the obstacles. Very sad...

ecar Loc: Oregon, USA

Architect1776 wrote:

Basic airmanship, stay at an altitude above terrain when not visible.

Yes,

I don't understand all of the reports that state he was in a descent, when the accident happened. The last communication with the tower was that he was not visible to the tower, because he was too low. So, the remedy was to descend?? I don't think so!!

The last thing the pilot said was that he was climbing to avoid a cloud bank.

Also, so that the tower could aid him in his position and landing. Descending when he was too low to be seen by the tower made absolutely no sense.

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

ecar wrote:

Yes, br br I don't understand all of the reports... (show quote)

Yes, it makes no sense unless he had vertigo. It even happens to experienced pilots, which is why it's nice to have a co pilot aboard so one can turn the controls over to him!

, here's his certificate information from the FAA's Airman Registry Database;

NAME: ARA GEORGE ZOBAYAN

16972 PACIFIC COAST HWY UNIT 104
HUNTINGTON BEACH CA 92649-4148
County: ORANGE
Country: USA

Medical Information:
Medical Class: Second Medical Date: 7/2019
MUST HAVE AVAILABLE GLASSES FOR NEAR VISION.

Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT
Date of Issue: 12/3/2007

Ratings:
COMMERCIAL PILOT
ROTORCRAFT-HELICOPTER
INSTRUMENT HELICOPTER

Certificate: FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR
Date of Issue: 5/14/2018

Ratings:
FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR
ROTORCRAFT-HELICOPTER
INSTRUMENT HELICOPTER

Certificate: GROUND INSTRUCTOR
Date of Issue: 7/9/2008

Ratings:
GROUND INSTRUCTOR
INSTRUMENT

So he was certainly qualified to fly the copter under IFR conditions. So it seems to me that spacial disorientation(vertigo) is what caused him to crash. The only other explanation would be suicide!

ecar Loc: Oregon, USA

nimbushopper wrote:

Yes, it makes no sense unless he had vertigo. It e... (show quote)

I had thought about that, but with the last communication with the tower being that he was going up to avoid a cloud bank, and he wanted the tower to track him, leads me to believe he just lost his bearing in relationship with the hills.

I think it's due to the fact that he had to circle for at least 15 mins due to heavy traffic, he started circling towards the hills. AND there was undoubtedly vertigo accompanied with this anyway.

His seasoned experience worked against him AND he never thought he'd have to circle & wait in order to land.

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

ecar wrote:

I had thought about that, but with the last commun... (show quote)

Yes, I had Vertigo 5 years ago when I had an inner ear infection. And, I remember getting the same effects, when I was a kid. We would spin around with our arms extended until we got dizzy. Being a kid, recuperating was within minutes. Not so as an adult. It took a whole week to recover. And, I could not drive my car.

ecar Loc: Oregon, USA

mas24 wrote:

Yes, I had Vertigo 5 years ago when I had an inner ear infection. And, I remember getting the same effects, when I was a kid. We would spin around with our arms extended until we got dizzy. Being a kid, recuperating was within minutes. Not so as an adult. It took a whole week to recover. And, I could not drive my car.

Yep-

The first thing the pilot should have done when he got to/ above the fogged in Camarillo airport, was get up high enough to #1 clear the hills (probably 3000 ft or higher) and #2 have the tower track him for any potential problems.

But his experience was working against him, AND he'd done this trip many times before, and thought he couldn't get into any trouble. Oh the pain of all of them having to pay the price for this error!

nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL

ecar wrote:

Yep-

The first thing the pilot should have done when he got to/ above the fogged in Camarillo airport, was get up high enough to #1 clear the hills (probably 3000 ft or higher) and #2 have the tower track him for any potential problems.

But his experience was working against him, AND he'd done this trip many times before, and thought he couldn't get into any trouble. Oh the pain of all of them having to pay the price for this error!

Yes, but remember, to decend at 2000fpm when you are only that high agl is definitely a dangerous thing to do, and an experienced flight instructor wouldn't do that unless he had vertigo.

ecar Loc: Oregon, USA

nimbushopper wrote:

Yes, but remember, to decend at 2000fpm when you are only that high agl is definitely a dangerous thing to do, and an experienced flight instructor wouldn't do that unless he had vertigo.

That is a good point.

The first thing I thought when I read this, was that he'd been circling for 15 mins, that had to cause the vertigo!