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Jan 27, 2020 10:18:21   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
Crop to the aspect ratio that you are having it printed at before sending it to the printer.

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Jan 27, 2020 10:23:02   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Wingpilot wrote:

Oh, and I’ve been using Nations Photo Lab for my prints. Their customer service is superb, but I don’t think they offer custom sizing of prints.


Did you ask them?

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Jan 27, 2020 10:55:01   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
bleirer wrote:
If you fit the 12 side that is 2 times 6, meaning the other side must be 3 times 6 or 18. To fit into the 24 you have to enlarge both sides together until the 24 fits then slide left or right to decide what to give up.

If you fit the 24 side that is 3 times 8, so the other side must be 2 times 8, or 16 so you then decide where to cut the 4 inches.

You can't squish or stretch one side only or it will look bad, both have to change proportionally (grab a corner only, if there are "handles", to make sure it is stays proportional.
If you fit the 12 side that is 2 times 6, meaning ... (show quote)


I have an event coming up in May, so I have some time to play around with print sizing. I’ll keep this info in mind. Thanks

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Jan 27, 2020 10:58:02   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Yes, Costco does 8x12 and 12x18. You can also get the ICC profiles for the Costco you order from if you calibrate your monitor and want the best color accuracy.


I’m not sure I can calibrate the screen of my iPad Pro.

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Jan 27, 2020 10:58:47   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
billnikon wrote:
I use 3:2 all the time. I print "full out" that uses exactly what I saw in the viewfinder. Print sizes include, 4X6, 8X12, 16X24, 20X30. These are the sizes you need to order in order not to have items cropped off from your original image. Your welcome.


Thank you Bill. Good to know.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:00:24   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
This is a crude (and maybe expensive) but effective way to print any custom size that your lab won’t print:
1. Determine the next largest size print your lab will produce regardless of aspect ratio, just so your print will fit inside it.
2. Create a blank file in PS to that size. Fill black.
3. Open your image and drag it onto the blank canvas making sure it fits within.
4. Flatten your new file, save to desired file type and send it to your lab.
5. Once returned, cut the excess paper/board to fit your frame with a razor knife.
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I don’t have PS, can I do that with PSE on my iPad Pro? Seems like a neat idea.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:02:27   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
If I'm sending to Costco and my final crop doesn't fit the standard print sizes i just create a copy and add some white "canvas" border to either the top and bottom or the sides to make the file the aspect ratio to fit their sizes.


Good idea.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:06:52   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
FunkyL wrote:
multiply length and width by the same amount and your aspect ratio will remain constant - 2:3 = 4:6 = 12:18. Your the entire photo will print on these sizes. If you want a print that does not have the same aspect ratio as the photo, you're going to have to sacrifice a little of the original photo when you print it. You can prepare for this by leaving a little extra space around your subject when you shoot, so you can crop to whatever ratio you want to print to. You'll still lose a bit, but not the important parts.
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I’m beginning to have an understanding of this. The last few prints I’ve had done were metal prints, so there was no trimming to be done. The next ones will likely be on paper or canvas.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:08:03   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Sometimes including the "extra" is fun when you want to write a caption or other info. Here's a 3:2 photo made to fit an 8x10 frame:


Cool idea.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:09:37   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Bill_de wrote:
Did you ask them?

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I didn’t think to ask them. Hindsight is always 20/20, isn’t it.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:33:16   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Wingpilot wrote:
The recommended aspect ratio for both my Sony A6300 and RX100VII is 3:2 because it uses most of the usable portion of the sensor. What I haven’t found is the best size/ratio of printing out photos taken at 3:2 without losing any portion of the image when the printing companies size the print. I recently sent an image to be printed at 12x24. Unfortunately, when it came back, a small portion at the bottom of the images had been cropped. I think that that size doesn’t work well for an image taken at an aspect ratio of 3:2. So, I’m picking your respective brains and knowledge banks for recommendations. Just as an aside, the same print done at 11x14 turned out well, but I wanted a wider, narrower and larger print for the dramatic effect. Unfortunately, the printing company doesn’t offer custom print sizing. So, am I shooting in the dark here, or what. Anyway I would appreciate any good input here. Thanks in advance.
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The size you eventually print at depends on what you want. We all like different things. I happen to like the 3:2 ratio best for most prints, especially landscapes. These are then most often printed at 10 x 15, matted with a mat sized for a digital 10 x 15, and framed into a 16 x 20 frame. For animals I sometimes like a "traditional" size of 8 x 10 or 11 x14 and then I mat and frame accordingly. I buy digital-sized mats for 10 x 15 images in bulk. If you plan ahead, depending on your subject, then you'll know the mat and frame sizes that will work well for that image. Understanding that a "traditional" print crops off the long edges allows you to shoot for that.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:46:42   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
via the lens wrote:
The size you eventually print at depends on what you want. We all like different things. I happen to like the 3:2 ratio best for most prints, especially landscapes. These are then most often printed at 10 x 15, matted with a mat sized for a digital 10 x 15, and framed into a 16 x 20 frame. For animals I sometimes like a "traditional" size of 8 x 10 or 11 x14 and then I mat and frame accordingly. I buy digital-sized mats for 10 x 15 images in bulk. If you plan ahead, depending on your subject, then you'll know the mat and frame sizes that will work well for that image. Understanding that a "traditional" print crops off the long edges allows you to shoot for that.
The size you eventually print at depends on what y... (show quote)


Thank you. Good idea. I may just have to get into doing my own matting and framing. Could be a fun addition to my hobby.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:52:55   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Wingpilot wrote:
The recommended aspect ratio for both my Sony A6300 and RX100VII is 3:2 because it uses most of the usable portion of the sensor. What I haven’t found is the best size/ratio of printing out photos taken at 3:2 without losing any portion of the image when the printing companies size the print. I recently sent an image to be printed at 12x24. Unfortunately, when it came back, a small portion at the bottom of the images had been cropped. I think that that size doesn’t work well for an image taken at an aspect ratio of 3:2. So, I’m picking your respective brains and knowledge banks for recommendations. Just as an aside, the same print done at 11x14 turned out well, but I wanted a wider, narrower and larger print for the dramatic effect. Unfortunately, the printing company doesn’t offer custom print sizing. So, am I shooting in the dark here, or what. Anyway I would appreciate any good input here. Thanks in advance.
The recommended aspect ratio for both my Sony A630... (show quote)


4x6, 6x9, 8x12, 10x15, 12x18, 13x19, 14x21, 16x24, 18x27, 20x30 and more are all print sizes that can display the full image area of a 3:2 aspect ratio camera.

Take your pick. Some of those sizes are uncommon and may not be offered by all printing services.

If you plan to mat and frame for display, it might be wise to go to a store like Aaron Bros. or Michaels and see what ready-made mats and frames they offer. This can help you pre-visualize the print size. Plus, ready-made mats and prints are MUCH less expensive than having custom matting and framing done. Ready-made can even be a lot less expensive than cutting your own mats and making your own frames. Ready-made matting and framing can cost as much as 80 or 90% less than custom jobs.

Ready-made mats and frames are available in a wide range of sizes AND aspect ratios. In some cases, ready-made mats are one aspect ratio while the frames are another. For example, it's common for 8x10" mat opening to be fitted to an 11x14" frame (the actual opening cut in an 8x10 is typically 7.5" x 9.5".... this allows 1/4 inch overlap around the edges of an 8x10 print). Obviously, fitting an 8x10 into 11x14 means that the top and bottom are 2" wide (okay, actually 2.25")... while the sides are 1.5" wide (actually 1.75"). Another common example, 11x14 prints mated to fit a 16x20 frame. That makes for 2.5" sides and 3" top and bottom. In other words, the aspect ratio of the mats and frames are slightly different. The mats "make the print fit" the frame.

Many years ago I did custom matting and framing for a living and got my supplies in bulk and at wholesale prices. I also had significant investment in mat cutters, frame saws, assembly jigs and more... not to mention all the space they required. While it is possible to do some of it on a more "hobby" basis, it's takes some practice.... and a lot of wasted materials... to get reasonably good results. And most hobbyist framing jobs fall well short of the quality of custom or even ready-made.

FWIW, 12x24 that you had printed is a 2:1 aspect ratio. That's even more "panoramic" than the common 16:9 used by widescreen televisions and monitors. You might find some ready-made mats and frames in a 2:1 aspect ration, but who knows if the 12x24" size is one of them.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:56:07   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
amfoto1 wrote:
4x6, 6x9, 8x12, 10x15, 12x18, 13x19, 14x21, 16x24, 18x27, 20x30 and more are all print sizes that can display the full image area of a 3:2 aspect ratio camera.

Take your pick. Some of those sizes are uncommon and may not be offered by all printing services.

FWIW, 12x24 is a 2:1 aspect ratio. That's even more "panoramic" than the common 16:9 used by widescreen televisions and monitors.


Thanks, I just did a screen shot of this so I have it as a handy reference.

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Jan 27, 2020 11:57:08   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Thank you. I may have to investigate having non-standard sized prints made. Shopping time, now.


Bay Photo does pretty much anything you want...quality is outstanding. These aspect ratio discussions get me scratching my noggin...it's just some arithmetic, right? 12x24 ain't 2:3, so you should not expect your print submission to contain all the data, am I missing something? For 2:3 I like 8x12, but 12x18 works too...I do all my own framing and matting, so I put it where I want it and get the print done. YMMV of course.

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