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Jan 26, 2020 07:08:57   #
AlColter Loc: Michigan
 
she shouted, "No"
What part of the word "NO" is difficult to understand?

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Jan 26, 2020 07:33:06   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mike M wrote:
Two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon, I walked out on a crowded Oceanside, California pier. There was a lady sitting on a bench with arms outstretched with three pigeons perched on each arm. That's not a sight I see everyday so I stopped to take a photo. When I raised my camera she shouted, "No". I lowered the camera not sure if she was speaking to me. I raised it once again and she shouted, "get the hell out". I told her she was in the public domain and she shouted back, "I don't give a shit". I said okay and walked away without taking the picture. My question is this: is it legal to take someone's picture without their permission when they are out in public?
Two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon, I walked out ... (show quote)


So grasshopper, the more important question is, What have you learned from this experience? Let's hear what you have to say now.

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Jan 26, 2020 07:41:57   #
dpfoto Loc: Cape Coral, FL
 
Years ago, when I was doing some (legal) undercover work,I had a right-angle adaptor for my lens. If I wanted to take a picture of someone, I would point the camera 90 degrees away from them. They would never know I was taking their picture.

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Jan 26, 2020 07:58:43   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mike M wrote:
Two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon, I walked out on a crowded Oceanside, California pier. There was a lady sitting on a bench with arms outstretched with three pigeons perched on each arm. That's not a sight I see everyday so I stopped to take a photo. When I raised my camera she shouted, "No". I lowered the camera not sure if she was speaking to me. I raised it once again and she shouted, "get the hell out". I told her she was in the public domain and she shouted back, "I don't give a shit". I said okay and walked away without taking the picture. My question is this: is it legal to take someone's picture without their permission when they are out in public?
Two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon, I walked out ... (show quote)


Yes, pointing a camera at people is an invasion to THEIR privacy, NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE.
Many, many folks on this site mistakenly think that if the person is in a public space, they can stick their camera's where ever they want and shoot who ever they want. Nothing could be further from the truth or the laws of the land.
Ask any judge that question and they will answer in a similar fashion. "People in public have a REASONABLE expectation of privacy". You see, our laws are based on, "what a reasonable person would do", and not what a NUT with a camera would do. You can put that in your pipe and smoke it.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:09:57   #
sr71 Loc: In Col. Juan Seguin Land
 
billnikon wrote:
Yes, pointing a camera at people is an invasion to THEIR privacy, NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE.
Many, many folks on this site mistakenly think that if the person is in a public space, they can stick their camera's where ever they want and shoot who ever they want. Nothing could be further from the truth or the laws of the land.
Ask any judge that question and they will answer in a similar fashion. "People in public have a REASONABLE expectation of privacy". You see, our laws are based on, "what a reasonable person would do", and not what a NUT with a camera would do. You can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Yes, pointing a camera at people is an invasion to... (show quote)


NOT!!

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Jan 26, 2020 08:17:29   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
User ID wrote:
Most "stolen" candid photos are second rate or
worse images anywho. Yes I've seen exceptions
but they are rare.
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I disagree with this completely. If you’re looking for a portrait you ask, but candid is no longer candid if you ask. Often it’s trying to capture a moment. If someone sees you and asks you not to take it I would respect their wish, but I’m generally not asking first.

Oh and you really need to get a handle on your PP.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:24:39   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
sr71 wrote:
NOT!!


Truth hurts doesn't it. OK, if I'm wrong then you go to a public playground and start shooting kids playing. Go ahead, I dare you.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:40:16   #
SteveLoker Loc: Fort Worth, TX
 
I was at Chicano Park near downtown San Diego a couple years back. There was a group of locals, yeah, I'll call them "locals". One of the women saw me shooting the murals and said to get her "pitcher", I swing my camera her direction and a second one loses her mind and followed me around, threatening me, AND my gear, for a good 20 minutes. I try to respect people's space, especially in their "home" which, apparently that park was their's.
Weirdest photo opportunity I've ever encountered.
I've had folks ask not to be photographed and I move on. When i shoot a shooting competition i ALWAYS tell each squad that if they DON'T want to be photographed, say so and I take a break while they shoot their stage. No harm, no foul.
When i shoot in public places I try to keep it general or as anonymous as possible. Better Karma for the day's shooting.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:42:48   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
In a public space you are free to take someone's photograph without permission - the only problem would be if you were to use in for a commercial purpose: and of course you could be sued if you posted it with negative comments, etc.

So - you would have been within your rights to take her photo. On the other hand, I have always found the wisest thing is not to mess with people who may be just plain nuts.....

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Jan 26, 2020 08:52:22   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
sb wrote:
In a public space you are free to take someone's photograph without permission - the only problem would be if you were to use in for a commercial purpose: and of course you could be sued if you posted it with negative comments, etc.

So - you would have been within your rights to take her photo. On the other hand, I have always found the wisest thing is not to mess with people who may be just plain nuts.....


SOOOOOOOO wrong. Everyone in America has a REASONABLE EXPECTATION of privacy, ask any judge you want, they will tell you the same thing.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:55:49   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
As a rule, I respect the wish of others when doing photography. Consider that photography intrudes. I simply do not take a picture of someone who objects to it. I move on.
Mike M wrote:
Two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon, I walked out on a crowded Oceanside, California pier. There was a lady sitting on a bench with arms outstretched with three pigeons perched on each arm. That's not a sight I see everyday so I stopped to take a photo. When I raised my camera she shouted, "No". I lowered the camera not sure if she was speaking to me. I raised it once again and she shouted, "get the hell out". I told her she was in the public domain and she shouted back, "I don't give a shit". I said okay and walked away without taking the picture. My question is this: is it legal to take someone's picture without their permission when they are out in public?
Two weeks ago on a Sunday afternoon, I walked out ... (show quote)

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Jan 26, 2020 08:57:46   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Many people don't care about the law. Unfortunately, "might makes right." If you took her picture, you can imagine her running after you screaming, and you would look like the bad guy. The term isn't "public domain," by the way. If you're in a public place, you can take pictures of basically anything.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:59:06   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
billnikon wrote:
SOOOOOOOO wrong. Everyone in America has a REASONABLE EXPECTATION of privacy, ask any judge you want, they will tell you the same thing.


Anyone out in public can expect whatever they want, but the law won't agree.

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Jan 26, 2020 08:59:34   #
JeffR Loc: Rehoboth Beach, Delaware
 
dancers wrote:
I would be angry if you took my picture in a public place. I have no idea about the law. but NO ONE gets to point a camera at me.


Totally agree!

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Jan 26, 2020 09:00:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
SteveLoker wrote:
I was at Chicano Park near downtown San Diego a couple years back. There was a group of locals, yeah, I'll call them "locals". One of the women saw me shooting the murals and said to get her "pitcher", I swing my camera her direction and a second one loses her mind and followed me around, threatening me, AND my gear, for a good 20 minutes. I try to respect people's space, especially in their "home" which, apparently that park was their's.
Weirdest photo opportunity I've ever encountered.
I've had folks ask not to be photographed and I move on. When i shoot a shooting competition i ALWAYS tell each squad that if they DON'T want to be photographed, say so and I take a break while they shoot their stage. No harm, no foul.
When i shoot in public places I try to keep it general or as anonymous as possible. Better Karma for the day's shooting.
I was at Chicano Park near downtown San Diego a co... (show quote)


Yeah, people are awful. That's why I photograph landscapes and things. Everyone has their own opinion of their rights.

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