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Jan 12, 2020 18:06:49   #
coyotecall Loc: New Mexico
 
P-J wrote:
Hi I am here in the UK. I have been a professional photographer for nearly 40 years. Starting off in weddings, portraits, social, studio etc. & the last 10 years as an architectural, interiors, property & landscape photographer.

Something I notice regularly is how we in the UK & US view images differently? This is not a criticism, but an observation!

When I started out using medium format film cameras (Hassleblad & Rollei) for weddings etc. I used to study photographs from other photographers from around the world & soon noticed how we see things differently? Weddings, portraits from the US tended to have over filled-in flash (in my opinion & to my bosses & contemporaries & clients here) compared to UK images.
Now in the digital era I'm seeing images from the US in particular over Photoshopped (again in my opinion. We have some proponents of it here too. As we have adopted some US spellings into our language thanks to computers mainly. Though I have to say I resist using them in the interests of preserving the English language, as it is meant to be here).
They are some great images, particularly of landscapes & wildlife, especially on this site Uglyhedgehog, but to my eye they look unnatural? False colours, too much contrast & saturation, along with definition & over-sharpening? As I said this is definitely not a criticism, but I wonder if anyone agrees or can explain why it is? I know it is subjective & a matter of taste etc. but it does seem to separate us, on how two distinct peoples view the same thing?
As Winston Churchill once observed the US & UK are "two nations separated by a common language"? Now we seem separated by a common vision?

Anyone shed any light on this? No pun intended!
Hi I am here in the UK. I have been a professional... (show quote)


Well, I have to agree to some extent. A few years ago I used to enter the local V.A. photo contests here in New Mexico. I'm primarily a landscape, flower, and animal shooter with lots of experience and a good eye. I won a First now and then, and a few Seconds but then the Photoshop guys began to rule and my "ribbons" were mainly of the "Thanks for coming" variety. I finally gave up. By the way, when I say "Photoshop" I mean these pictures were way out of my league (over the top). Fancy work indeed. Nice mind you, things popped in here and there, imaginative, abstract.....etc., I don't have the skill or patience to do that kind of work......but more importantly, I don't really have the interest. I like the natural beauty of all we have going around here and figure it's enough. BUT! There is no way for a guy like me to compete with this. I believe there should be some way to separate out the "standard" damned good from the "magical reality" school.....some percentage of Photoshop use? I don't know. Right now, I've just quit entering anything and do some prints on metal for myself and the family. Don't get me wrong, I love eye-catching, but love reality even more.

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Jan 12, 2020 18:48:02   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
P-J wrote:
All I can say is whatever country I have been in, the coffee tastes different. Some better, some not so.

It's been said (by an American?) We can't make coffee in England? Of course we can you just add hot water, it's just that our coffee tastes different to yours. It might not be to what you're used to, but it is coffee. Blame the coffee manufacturers, not the people in the country!


It's the water.

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Jan 12, 2020 20:17:19   #
Meadwilliam
 
I agree completely.

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Jan 12, 2020 20:56:36   #
usnret Loc: Woodhull Il
 
Heh, Heh, Ya nailed that one!

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Jan 12, 2020 22:36:45   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Meadwilliam wrote:
I agree completely.


...with what? LOL...

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Jan 12, 2020 22:38:11   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
usnret wrote:
Heh, Heh, Ya nailed that one!


...who nailed what? (...haha, it'd really help to use the "quote reply" button so we know who you are responding to!)

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Jan 12, 2020 22:47:11   #
TomC. Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
P-J wrote:
Hi I am here in the UK. I have been a professional photographer for nearly 40 years. Starting off in weddings, portraits, social, studio etc. & the last 10 years as an architectural, interiors, property & landscape photographer.

Something I notice regularly is how we in the UK & US view images differently? This is not a criticism, but an observation!

When I started out using medium format film cameras (Hassleblad & Rollei) for weddings etc. I used to study photographs from other photographers from around the world & soon noticed how we see things differently? Weddings, portraits from the US tended to have over filled-in flash (in my opinion & to my bosses & contemporaries & clients here) compared to UK images.
Now in the digital era I'm seeing images from the US in particular over Photoshopped (again in my opinion. We have some proponents of it here too. As we have adopted some US spellings into our language thanks to computers mainly. Though I have to say I resist using them in the interests of preserving the English language, as it is meant to be here).
They are some great images, particularly of landscapes & wildlife, especially on this site Uglyhedgehog, but to my eye they look unnatural? False colours, too much contrast & saturation, along with definition & over-sharpening? As I said this is definitely not a criticism, but I wonder if anyone agrees or can explain why it is? I know it is subjective & a matter of taste etc. but it does seem to separate us, on how two distinct peoples view the same thing?
As Winston Churchill once observed the US & UK are "two nations separated by a common language"? Now we seem separated by a common vision?

Anyone shed any light on this? No pun intended!
Hi I am here in the UK. I have been a professional... (show quote)


I'm curious. Why do you have "question marks" in 6 places where there was no question asked? Is that a UK thing?

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Jan 12, 2020 23:25:51   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
P-J wrote:
Hi I am here in the UK. I have been a professional photographer for nearly 40 years. Starting off in weddings, portraits, social, studio etc. & the last 10 years as an architectural, interiors, property & landscape photographer.

Something I notice regularly is how we in the UK & US view images differently? This is not a criticism, but an observation!

When I started out using medium format film cameras (Hassleblad & Rollei) for weddings etc. I used to study photographs from other photographers from around the world & soon noticed how we see things differently? Weddings, portraits from the US tended to have over filled-in flash (in my opinion & to my bosses & contemporaries & clients here) compared to UK images.
Now in the digital era I'm seeing images from the US in particular over Photoshopped (again in my opinion. We have some proponents of it here too. As we have adopted some US spellings into our language thanks to computers mainly. Though I have to say I resist using them in the interests of preserving the English language, as it is meant to be here).
They are some great images, particularly of landscapes & wildlife, especially on this site Uglyhedgehog, but to my eye they look unnatural? False colours, too much contrast & saturation, along with definition & over-sharpening? As I said this is definitely not a criticism, but I wonder if anyone agrees or can explain why it is? I know it is subjective & a matter of taste etc. but it does seem to separate us, on how two distinct peoples view the same thing?
As Winston Churchill once observed the US & UK are "two nations separated by a common language"? Now we seem separated by a common vision?

Anyone shed any light on this? No pun intended!
Hi I am here in the UK. I have been a professional... (show quote)


I have ALWAYS been more minimalistic when it comes to photo editors,in general....You want color in the sky? Wait for it. You want a sharper photo? Use your talents to sharpen the picture. People that RELY on photo editors are manufacturing a totally different photo than what they see through the view finder. That being said, I do understand that there are times when PP is necessary.But, it should only be used to a very small degree, IMHO.

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Jan 13, 2020 02:24:16   #
dat2ra Loc: Sacramento
 
I concur and consider it expressed in the 007 movies. First there was Sean Connery with wit and elan. A sense of irony. Now we have Daniel Craig--a humorless lout of muscle and gristle. But lots of explosions and extreme stunts. And he drives a Ford! Really? Jame Bond driving a Ford??!! We yanks have totally missed missed the point. So, keep on keeping on. Tally ho!

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Jan 13, 2020 05:17:04   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
More a lot or less in the U.S. A measure has dawned on me. Look to the skies at night. Sometimes I think I can count the no. of stars I can see on one hand. I've lived in the same area for the past 30 years. We used to be able to see the Milky Way (albeit faintly) but I can't any more. And it's not my aging glimmers - my sprogs can't see it either. True, there are dark sky area's in the Country but when you look at the figures for how dark they don't compare favourably to many parts of the World.

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Jan 13, 2020 05:44:27   #
P-J Loc: UK
 
sirlensalot wrote:
I think sir, you paint us with too broad a brush. We are both nations of individuals and perhaps better served by being critiqued as such. I do appreciate your thoughts. It is an interesting read.


Generalisations by their nature are a 'broad brush'.
I don't think it is my place to criticise individuals on their tastes in photo processing or any other subject come to that?
But it was merely an observation that on this site & many others, that images emitting form North America had a preponderance for more processing than I have observed from UK & European photographers in general. If that is the case, so be it? I am not trying to tarnish the reputation, skill or photographic taste of a nation or an individual for that matter.
There was a "fashion/craze" for HDR image processing here in the UK a few years back & these tended to be over processed that lead to 'unnatural' looking images in the way of colour & definition. This was quickly picked up by photo magazines here in the UK & the habit seems to have died & HDR is now used more subtlety, in general. You will never stifle an individuals taste & nor should you & if an image is pleasing to you & others then it is justified, but that opinion will not be unanimous, hence we have competitions with winners & losers. It's all subjective.

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Jan 13, 2020 07:23:34   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
I do not agree with the term "over photoshopped" as it all comes down to photographer vision on how they wish to present their work. I don't compare my work to others as it is my own and don't care how my peers see it. My style is representing me and my vision how I see the world around me. Being American has nothing to do with it. My work would be the same if I was Any nationality. Art/photography has no nationality. However some nations in the past tried to control this by book burning, banning certain subjective things etc. That is more government and less nationality in my opinion.

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Jan 13, 2020 07:32:30   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
Great observations P-J! However, it was GBS who said were were separated by a common language.

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Jan 13, 2020 07:43:24   #
P-J Loc: UK
 
TomC. wrote:
I'm curious. Why do you have "question marks" in 6 places where there was no question asked? Is that a UK thing?

Yes. It doesn't have to be a question but a statement where it is asking if the reader agrees or not.

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Jan 13, 2020 07:44:43   #
P-J Loc: UK
 
duane klipping wrote:
I do not agree with the term "over photoshopped" as it all comes down to photographer vision on how they wish to present their work. I don't compare my work to others as it is my own and don't care how my peers see it. My style is representing me and my vision how I see the world around me. Being American has nothing to do with it. My work would be the same if I was Any nationality. Art/photography has no nationality. However some nations in the past tried to control this by book burning, banning certain subjective things etc. That is more government and less nationality in my opinion.
I do not agree with the term "over photoshopp... (show quote)


On that note I'll sign off!

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