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Jan 12, 2020 16:35:05   #
davidf_logan Loc: Logan, Utah
 
Well, I agree with many of your sentiments but 3 years is not enough to assess. Walk the Pennine Trail to dispel your sentiments of sulphorous UK air!



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Jan 12, 2020 16:36:18   #
srt101fan
 
gessman wrote:
First, I will acquiesce to your contention that we have some folks who just cannot saturate, sharpen, and add enough contrast to their shots to suit them but I will also suggest to you that those people are in the minority overall and that you may not appreciate the full diversity of how our natural assets appear under all kinds of light whereas much of the UK stays in a perpetual state of dullness, a kind of beauty unto itself. The UK is a beautiful place with a unique beauty of its own as does the U. S. Beyond that, I have a couple of observations that may differ from our fellow uhh members. I mostly shoot wildlife and nature and try to do my best to ultimately represent what I see when I snap one off but having spent three years in UK, I can tell you that until that yellowish sulphur ladened coal smoke shroud that hovers over your country, settling on everything below it, clears from your atmosphere ceasing to create the overcast sky and dull appearance of everything on the ground a bulk of the time or until you have extensively visited most areas of the U.S. and had an opportunity to observe how things look in all different manners of light, you will probably continue to have little understanding of the differences in the way being out in nature is here as opposed to there. You cannot sit there in UK and understand the diversity of scenery we have here in all manner of lighting situations. If you have not traveled the U. S. at different times and observed what's here you don't have a clue how an image should appear in even the most usual light, let alone in special lighting situations. You have unique scenery and lighting situations there just as we do here but mostly you do not have anything close to the diversity of scenery and lighting scenarios that we do here. It's different, all good, so leave it be.

The age of most things there and building materials used, the buildings, for example, makes them inherently antiquated appearing and often dull in contrast to many of the newer buildings you find here, as well as your collective manner of dress, the colors you use to paint many things, a lot of which is expected to absorb rather than deflect heat which may be attributed to some of the differences in our way of life more so than what we do as photographers, not to say that we don't generally lean more to the flamboyant, bright, colorful, UPBEAT, if I may, creations within our environment. Our minority cultures enjoy bright colors and much of that has found its way into our mainstream blended manmade cultural appearance and it's probably here to stay.

As for you preserving the English language as it was intended to be, surprise, surprise - language, like most other things in our environment is subject to morph and you change with it or you get stamped with the word "archaic." It's your choice but unlike some of my U. S. compadres here, I've lived and blended into your way of life as well as mine and the differences aren't just imaginative - they are very real.

Now, one thing you always have to bear in mind is that we are derived from that lousy lot of misfits, religious freaks, and convicts you dumped over here in order to make your more perfect land devoid of ignorance and stupidity, or so you thought. Well, we haven't changed much in a lot of ways and probably won't so perhaps if you want to understand us better, you should come over, join in, spend a few years traveling over here and be prepared to see things beyond your imagination. Many of your fellow countrymen want to be all but invisible and often with good reason. Many from the U. S. choose to be just the opposite. It happens. We are much more culturally diverse than you which probably explains a lot.
First, I will acquiesce to your contention that we... (show quote)


Well, gessman, I usually enjoy your commentary but you sound a bit too defensive in this one. I see nothing in the OP's post that warrants a defensive reaction.....

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Jan 12, 2020 16:40:36   #
srt101fan
 
davidf_logan wrote:
Well, I agree with many of your sentiments but 3 years is not enough to assess. Walk the Pennine Trail to dispel your sentiments of sulphorous UK air!


Please, David, use the "Quote Reply" button. If you don't, we have no way of knowing whose post you are replying to!

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Jan 12, 2020 16:43:32   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thank you, A.T.
--Bob

A. T. wrote:
Bob,

Awesome restorations, awesome.

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Jan 12, 2020 16:46:52   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Thank you, nervous2. Much appreciated.
--Bob
nervous2 wrote:
Your restoration work is very impressive--and I suspect much appreciated by your clients.

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Jan 12, 2020 16:59:16   #
davidf_logan Loc: Logan, Utah
 
srt101fan wrote:
Please, David, use the "Quote Reply" button. If you don't, we have no way of knowing whose post you are replying to!


Sorry!

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Jan 12, 2020 17:01:44   #
srt101fan
 
davidf_logan wrote:
Sorry!



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Jan 12, 2020 17:25:56   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
davidf_logan wrote:
Well, I agree with many of your sentiments but 3 years is not enough to assess. Walk the Pennine Trail to dispel your sentiments of sulphorous UK air!


I lived in the Midlands, Leicestershire, and move around quite a bit and found pockets more tolerable but on balance I didn't find anything that would compare to much of the U. S. and I've lived in six different states from Florida to Colorado and traveled all up in the northeast and to California. Not saying that's adequate to make a call for everywhere but I think three years in the UK was plenty for there. I made many trips in all directions from Leicestershire to get a pretty good sense of what was going on most of the time. The UK is roughly the size of Arkansas and Louisiana combined so covering it isn't a big deal.

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Jan 12, 2020 17:30:45   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
srt101fan wrote:
Well, gessman, I usually enjoy your commentary but you sound a bit too defensive in this one. I see nothing in the OP's post that warrants a defensive reaction.....


Well, perhaps that's more your perception than my intent. I probably could have used some more judicious and diplomatic language but I'm pressed for time and didn't consider all possible ways my thoughts could be expressed in this instance. I don't have an ax to grind with P.J.

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Jan 12, 2020 17:45:34   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
P-J wrote:
<snip>....but to my eye they look unnatural? False colours, too much contrast & saturation, along with definition & over-sharpening? As I said this is definitely not a criticism, <snip>...


I agree with you 100%. It is a style I feel looks unnatural and I think (hope) it is a fad. I suspect that in the not distant future that stye of image will look dated. Like the soft-focus warm light style that was popular in cinema in the 70's, looks very dated now.

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Jan 12, 2020 17:47:36   #
srt101fan
 
gessman wrote:
Well, perhaps that's more your perception than my intent. I probably could have used some more judicious and diplomatic language but I'm pressed for time and didn't consider all possible ways my thoughts could be expressed in this instance. I don't have an ax to grind with P.J.



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Jan 12, 2020 17:47:54   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
This depends on where the image is from. I've seen images from the Southwest criticized for being overcooked that are SOOC as far as I'm concerned. IF you have never seen Arizona, New Mexico, parts of California etc. in person you might change your mind. The colors are that brilliant and the light that bright. To tone them down would be presenting a false image. However, some are overcooked which are trying to get an image to match some movie that they've seen.

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Jan 12, 2020 17:50:33   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
JennT wrote:
I post regularly on a British site---There is definitely a difference in thinking--vision, etc. I find. myself working very hard to do my own thing, rather than be pushed around by someone else 's rigid set of rules--- although, I admit to have learned a great deal from the site in general!


That is a good attitude.

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Jan 12, 2020 17:54:01   #
revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson
 
"As Winston Churchill once observed the US & UK are "two nations separated by a common language"? Now we seem separated by a common vision? "


I believe the quote is attributed to George Bernard Shaw though it is not found in any of his writings.


As far as the issue is concerned, "To each his own." "Vive la difference." (No attribution.)

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Jan 12, 2020 17:57:05   #
davidf_logan Loc: Logan, Utah
 
gessman wrote:
I lived in the Midlands, Leicestershire, and move around quite a bit and found pockets more tolerable but on balance I didn't find anything that would compare to much of the U. S. and I've lived in six different states from Florida to Colorado and traveled all up in the northeast and to California. Not saying that's adequate to make a call for everywhere but I think three years in the UK was plenty for there. I made many trips in all directions from Leicestershire to get a pretty good sense of what was going on most of the time. The UK is roughly the size of Arkansas and Louisiana combined so covering it isn't a big deal.
I lived in the Midlands, Leicestershire, and move ... (show quote)


Which avoids the question of whether you explored the more remote regions of the UK. Blanket judgments about "sulphorous" air don't really amount to much objectively. Driving around, if that's what you mean, is not the same. I've lived in several states including New Jersey, Mass., Colorado and California and now Utah, as well as Spain and I don't feel I know any of them all that well.

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