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Jan 12, 2020 09:54:41   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Wrangler wrote:
I would like to hear his military tales also.


There were no wars going on for Canada while I was growing up but I did serve in the Canadian Coast Guard 1970 - 1973.

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Jan 12, 2020 10:02:13   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Kraken wrote:
n the latest volley of violence between Iran and the United States, the world averted a disaster. Tehran’s response to last week’s U.S. drone strike that killed infamous Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani managed to pause the cycle of escalation by providing both sides exactly what each needed for the moment. Wednesday’s Iranian missile barrage at U.S. military forces in Iraq enabled Tehran to punctuate its three-day epic commemoration of Soleimani with a spectacular show of strength. And the fortuitous (or deliberate) lack of casualties offered President Donald Trump a welcome opportunity to exult in a perceived foreign policy win just as the 2020 election season gets underway.

The sense that Washington and Tehran had stepped back from the brink prompted audible sighs of relief, and a British royal drama replaced World War III as the top trending news story on social media. Unfortunately, while the world’s war jitters have indeed subsided, the crisis itself is nowhere near over. This week’s reprisals from Iran were not the end of the confrontation between Tehran and the Trump administration, but rather the beginning of a new, more dangerous and unpredictable phase of the long-running U.S.-Iranian hostilities.

Indeed, on Friday, U.S. officials announced a new round of punitive economic sanctions, specifically targeting eight individuals believed to have had a role in the Iranian missile strikes. These measures, along with new restrictions on Iran’s metals and textile industries, are unlikely to have significant economic impact, but for Tehran, new U.S. economic pressure will only be seen as a further confirmation of Trump’s aggressive and uncompromising approach to Iran.

The current lull after the initial exchange of fire is not surprising. Both sides appreciate the need to slow or reverse the rapid cycle of escalation unleashed by Soleimani’s killing. Iranian leaders have had a front-row seat for the demonstration of U.S. conventional military superiority in Iraq and elsewhere across the region, and they are sufficiently prudent to steer clear of making themselves the next target. That prudence was clear in Wednesday’s ballistic missile attack on Iraqi military bases at Ain al-Assad and Erbil. The rapidity, scope, and apparent precision of the Iranian response highlights the muscular principles of the Islamic Republic’s security doctrine, which holds that the regime’s survival depends on its strength and its readiness to go on the offensive. The imagery of Iranian firepower surely satisfied a domestic audience primed for vengeance after massive, nation-wide funeral processions.

However, Tehran’s prior warning to Iraqi counterparts seemed designed to minimize or avoid American casualties, as Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh asserted on Thursday. In this sense, the early Iranian response was consistent with the theocratic state’s calibrated, incremental escalation against U.S. interests and partners in Iraq and around the Persian Gulf over the past six months, when Washington ratcheted up economic pressure on Iran to unprecedented levels. In a series of mostly small-scale, precise attacks that culminated in September with a more consequential strike on Saudi oil infrastructure, Tehran sought to raise the costs to Washington and the world without placing itself in the cross-hairs of American firepower. The recent skirmishing gave Iran’s savvy strategists an accurate read on Trump’s aversion to further entanglements, and their calculation that a limited strike, with no fatalities, would avoid U.S. reprisals proved correct.

However, the recent track record only underscores why the U.S.-Iran confrontation is likely to escalate once again. Iran’s objective in its steady escalation since May—to compel an end to the Trump administration’s grueling economic sanctions that wreaked havoc on its economy—remains as pressing as ever, especially after massive protests rocked major cities around the country in November. And now, the regime’s determination to end the American siege is magnified by an ideological and strategic zeal to settle scores for Soleimani’s death, to preserve or even expand the footprint that he achieved for Iran across the broader Middle East, and ideally emerge from this crisis with some big strategic gain, such as durably eroding U.S. presence and influence in the broader Middle East. Tehran is also ramping back up its nuclear program, announcing shortly after the Soleimani strike new breaches of the 2015 nuclear deal that was first abrogated by Trump in 2018.

For that reason, it’s a virtual certainty that Wednesday’s missile barrage was not the end of the Iranian reprisals. Tehran’s next steps will likely continue the hallmarks of its playbook developed over the course of its 40-year campaign to entrench its own influence at the expense of its adversaries—purposeful rather than wanton projection of power, conscious of the balance of costs and benefits, opportunistic in exploiting openings or weakness, inventive in the application and wide-ranging in scope. This is a regime that has orchestrated terror attacks from Buenos Aires to Bulgaria; it wields considerable cyber capabilities as well as a network of semi-autonomous proxies. At least some of these groups, especially in Iraq, will be eager to avenge their own grievances against Washington, irrespective of any Iranian restraint. Faced with an American visegrip on their economy and advantageous unconventional capabilities, nothing will be off the table as Tehran assesses its next moves against the United States.

For its part, the Trump administration is not immune to the temptation of escalation, as was demonstrated vividly over the past 10 days. In principle, the president doesn’t want to initiate another costly, protracted American military intervention in the Middle East. He correctly read the war weariness of Americans long before it became an accepted political fact, and he has only disdain for investing in the development of a more peaceful or prosperous international system.

However, his Iran policy has been consistently aggressive since the earliest days of the administration, across the rotating cast of his senior national security advisors. This reflects a calculus with broad support among the Republican national security establishment that confrontation rather than engagement represents the most effective way to deter the threats posed by Iran. In a mirror image of the worldview in Tehran, the White House is driven by the conviction that American reluctance to use force to deter or punish Tehran and its proxies has only invited Iranian expansion and empowered its regional posture. From this perspective, Washington can only prevail if we are prepared to risk blowback and take the fight to them in the arena of our own advantage—conventional warfare.

This, not an intemperate Powerpoint slide or an obsession with the 1979 embassy seizure, is what drove the decision to take the momentous step of taking out Tehran’s most capable regional military commander. And so far, the Trump administration sees the logic of its get-tough approach validated. The fallout has been bearable, the domestic economy remains unscathed, and the administration’s base is energized by the perception of a big foreign policy victory against a notorious villain, timed at an opportune moment as his reelection campaign gets underway. Especially in the absence of any serious framework for durable de-escalation or negotiations, the administration’s perception that its risky Soleimani strike paid off will tempt them to meet future Iranian provocations with further confrontation. And with the nuclear agreement on the verge of collapse, the White House will be inclined to embrace an even more assertive posture as Iranian stockpiles of enriched uranium accumulate and reduce Tehran’s breakout time to nuclear weapons capability.

The crisis has abated for the moment, but there should be no illusions. Washington and Tehran are now locked into a long, unpredictable conflict with Iran where the propensity for miscalculation is high. Finding a persuasive diplomatic exit ramp that can circumvent the risk of future conflict needs to be the highest priority.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/qassem-soleimani-iran-united-states-tension-097347
n the latest volley of violence between Iran and t... (show quote)


I get it. Not fighting is really fighting. I guess I am just confused, I thought not fighting, was not fighting.

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Jan 12, 2020 10:04:55   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
boberic wrote:
I get it. Not fighting is really fighting. I guess I am just confused, I thought not fighting, was not fighting.


I am sorry that Canada does not go around making enemies. We should have tried harder to piss off other countries.

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Jan 12, 2020 10:36:23   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Kraken wrote:
I am sorry that Canada does not go around making enemies. We should have tried harder to piss off other countries.


You are doing a very good job.

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Jan 12, 2020 12:15:28   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Kraken wrote:
I am sorry that Canada does not go around making enemies. We should have tried harder to piss off other countries.

Nor are you sticking your necks out to curb the bad guys around the World. It is more pleasant to sit at home while the U.S. takes care of your enemies for you.

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Jan 12, 2020 12:36:37   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Steven Seward wrote:
Nor are you sticking your necks out to curb the bad guys around the World. It is more pleasant to sit at home while the U.S. takes care of your enemies for you.


See what I mean, you do not get all the news watching faux news and leaves you very ignorant to what is going on. Through the years Canada has been all over the world as peacekeepers and also training other countries army's how to fight.

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Jan 12, 2020 13:23:01   #
Steven Seward Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
 
Kraken wrote:
See what I mean, you do not get all the news watching faux news and leaves you very ignorant to what is going on. Through the years Canada has been all over the world as peacekeepers and also training other countries army's how to fight.

I will ignore the fact that you just contradicted yourself by now claiming that Canada has been all over the World (not just as peacekeepers) when you previously said Canada does not go around the World making enemies.

Canada fought bravely in World Wars I and II and in Korea. They also helped with the coalition in the Gulf War in 1991 and lost over one-hundred fifty soldiers in the Afghanistan War in 2001. Since then, however, they have mainly offered only token assistance with peacekeeping efforts, most notably sitting out the Iraq War against Saddam in 2003, when some 40 countries sent troops to help the U.S. Even places like Iceland and Tonga sent troops.

The biggest untold story, however, is that Canada, over the last couple of decades, has become a haven for terrorists and other undesirables form around the World. It is one of the few Western Countries where terrorists know they can enter and be given sanctuary from both their home countries and from the United States military.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/trail/etc/canada.html

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=a2Hb3_1526335761

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fbi-reports-show-terror-suspects-coming-from-canada-while-trump-stares-at-mexico

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Jan 12, 2020 13:23:56   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Kraken wrote:
Sure looks that way.


Really. I was under no obligation to correct their error. I was given a 1 Y classification, and not drafted. If you run a red light and not summoned are you obligated to pay the fine anyway?

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Jan 12, 2020 13:26:34   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
SteveR wrote:
Well, at least Iran has a sense of who they're dealing with in Trump. Maybe the Dems would prefer somebody like Pete Buttigieg to face down the Ayatollah.


You mean, Pants down the Ayatollah, from Buttigieg.

Dennis

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Jan 12, 2020 13:28:20   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Kraken wrote:
Give it up your hero is a draft dodger.


Why whatever do you mean? Bill Clinton was never my hero. I guess he is your hero though even though he is truly a draft dodger. Congratulations on supporting an idiot. AGAIN.

Dennis

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Jan 12, 2020 17:31:28   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Kraken wrote:
n the latest volley of violence between Iran and the United States, the world averted a disaster. Tehran’s response to last week’s U.S. drone strike that killed infamous Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani managed to pause the cycle of escalation by providing both sides exactly what each needed for the moment. Wednesday’s Iranian missile barrage at U.S. military forces in Iraq enabled Tehran to punctuate its three-day epic commemoration of Soleimani with a spectacular show of strength. And the fortuitous (or deliberate) lack of casualties offered President Donald Trump a welcome opportunity to exult in a perceived foreign policy win just as the 2020 election season gets underway.

The sense that Washington and Tehran had stepped back from the brink prompted audible sighs of relief, and a British royal drama replaced World War III as the top trending news story on social media. Unfortunately, while the world’s war jitters have indeed subsided, the crisis itself is nowhere near over. This week’s reprisals from Iran were not the end of the confrontation between Tehran and the Trump administration, but rather the beginning of a new, more dangerous and unpredictable phase of the long-running U.S.-Iranian hostilities.

Indeed, on Friday, U.S. officials announced a new round of punitive economic sanctions, specifically targeting eight individuals believed to have had a role in the Iranian missile strikes. These measures, along with new restrictions on Iran’s metals and textile industries, are unlikely to have significant economic impact, but for Tehran, new U.S. economic pressure will only be seen as a further confirmation of Trump’s aggressive and uncompromising approach to Iran.

The current lull after the initial exchange of fire is not surprising. Both sides appreciate the need to slow or reverse the rapid cycle of escalation unleashed by Soleimani’s killing. Iranian leaders have had a front-row seat for the demonstration of U.S. conventional military superiority in Iraq and elsewhere across the region, and they are sufficiently prudent to steer clear of making themselves the next target. That prudence was clear in Wednesday’s ballistic missile attack on Iraqi military bases at Ain al-Assad and Erbil. The rapidity, scope, and apparent precision of the Iranian response highlights the muscular principles of the Islamic Republic’s security doctrine, which holds that the regime’s survival depends on its strength and its readiness to go on the offensive. The imagery of Iranian firepower surely satisfied a domestic audience primed for vengeance after massive, nation-wide funeral processions.

However, Tehran’s prior warning to Iraqi counterparts seemed designed to minimize or avoid American casualties, as Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh asserted on Thursday. In this sense, the early Iranian response was consistent with the theocratic state’s calibrated, incremental escalation against U.S. interests and partners in Iraq and around the Persian Gulf over the past six months, when Washington ratcheted up economic pressure on Iran to unprecedented levels. In a series of mostly small-scale, precise attacks that culminated in September with a more consequential strike on Saudi oil infrastructure, Tehran sought to raise the costs to Washington and the world without placing itself in the cross-hairs of American firepower. The recent skirmishing gave Iran’s savvy strategists an accurate read on Trump’s aversion to further entanglements, and their calculation that a limited strike, with no fatalities, would avoid U.S. reprisals proved correct.

However, the recent track record only underscores why the U.S.-Iran confrontation is likely to escalate once again. Iran’s objective in its steady escalation since May—to compel an end to the Trump administration’s grueling economic sanctions that wreaked havoc on its economy—remains as pressing as ever, especially after massive protests rocked major cities around the country in November. And now, the regime’s determination to end the American siege is magnified by an ideological and strategic zeal to settle scores for Soleimani’s death, to preserve or even expand the footprint that he achieved for Iran across the broader Middle East, and ideally emerge from this crisis with some big strategic gain, such as durably eroding U.S. presence and influence in the broader Middle East. Tehran is also ramping back up its nuclear program, announcing shortly after the Soleimani strike new breaches of the 2015 nuclear deal that was first abrogated by Trump in 2018.

For that reason, it’s a virtual certainty that Wednesday’s missile barrage was not the end of the Iranian reprisals. Tehran’s next steps will likely continue the hallmarks of its playbook developed over the course of its 40-year campaign to entrench its own influence at the expense of its adversaries—purposeful rather than wanton projection of power, conscious of the balance of costs and benefits, opportunistic in exploiting openings or weakness, inventive in the application and wide-ranging in scope. This is a regime that has orchestrated terror attacks from Buenos Aires to Bulgaria; it wields considerable cyber capabilities as well as a network of semi-autonomous proxies. At least some of these groups, especially in Iraq, will be eager to avenge their own grievances against Washington, irrespective of any Iranian restraint. Faced with an American visegrip on their economy and advantageous unconventional capabilities, nothing will be off the table as Tehran assesses its next moves against the United States.

For its part, the Trump administration is not immune to the temptation of escalation, as was demonstrated vividly over the past 10 days. In principle, the president doesn’t want to initiate another costly, protracted American military intervention in the Middle East. He correctly read the war weariness of Americans long before it became an accepted political fact, and he has only disdain for investing in the development of a more peaceful or prosperous international system.

However, his Iran policy has been consistently aggressive since the earliest days of the administration, across the rotating cast of his senior national security advisors. This reflects a calculus with broad support among the Republican national security establishment that confrontation rather than engagement represents the most effective way to deter the threats posed by Iran. In a mirror image of the worldview in Tehran, the White House is driven by the conviction that American reluctance to use force to deter or punish Tehran and its proxies has only invited Iranian expansion and empowered its regional posture. From this perspective, Washington can only prevail if we are prepared to risk blowback and take the fight to them in the arena of our own advantage—conventional warfare.

This, not an intemperate Powerpoint slide or an obsession with the 1979 embassy seizure, is what drove the decision to take the momentous step of taking out Tehran’s most capable regional military commander. And so far, the Trump administration sees the logic of its get-tough approach validated. The fallout has been bearable, the domestic economy remains unscathed, and the administration’s base is energized by the perception of a big foreign policy victory against a notorious villain, timed at an opportune moment as his reelection campaign gets underway. Especially in the absence of any serious framework for durable de-escalation or negotiations, the administration’s perception that its risky Soleimani strike paid off will tempt them to meet future Iranian provocations with further confrontation. And with the nuclear agreement on the verge of collapse, the White House will be inclined to embrace an even more assertive posture as Iranian stockpiles of enriched uranium accumulate and reduce Tehran’s breakout time to nuclear weapons capability.

The crisis has abated for the moment, but there should be no illusions. Washington and Tehran are now locked into a long, unpredictable conflict with Iran where the propensity for miscalculation is high. Finding a persuasive diplomatic exit ramp that can circumvent the risk of future conflict needs to be the highest priority.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/11/qassem-soleimani-iran-united-states-tension-097347
n the latest volley of violence between Iran and t... (show quote)



Another imbecilic view by politico.......this falls I. Line with the “she says no but means yes” b.s.

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Jan 12, 2020 17:32:14   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
Kraken wrote:
Give it up your hero is a draft dodger.


Your ignorance is so thick it’s beginning to stink!

Get some facts....draft dodging is illegal.

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Jan 13, 2020 07:25:15   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
SteveS wrote:
Buttigieg served 7 months in Afghanistan, but it wasn't in combat. Ask a veteran who has actually been shot at if they believe someone who identified and disrupting financial networks as having combat experience.


I'll give Booty-judge credit being that he was in theater.

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Jan 13, 2020 08:30:12   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Kraken wrote:
I am sorry that Canada does not go around making enemies. We should have tried harder to piss off other countries.


Canada just hides under the shadow of the US, end of story...
The US is what Canada wishes it could be

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Jan 13, 2020 08:31:54   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
soba1 wrote:
Canada just hides under the shadow of the US, end of story...
The US is what Canada wishes it could be


That'll be the day.

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