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Jan 10, 2020 11:10:20   #
DaveJ Loc: NE Missouri
 
jaysnave wrote:
Count me in with the impressed. I was first very impressed with DeNoise AI, then Sharpen AI. My question for the group, is there a sequence that works well between the two? What I mean is DeNoise has sharpening and Sharpening has noise reduction. DeNoise also has an option for AI Clear. Are any of these the same algorithm or are they different enough that both applications should be used and in what sequence for best results? I have been doing some experimenting, but wondered if anyone has found the best technique.
Count me in with the impressed. I was first very ... (show quote)
I'm a new user to DeNoise AI and AI Sharpen. In trying to learn, like you, I have found the following.
In my use, it seems DeNoise and Clear works somewhat best on noisy images.
Sharpen works somewhat best on images with focus, blur and movement problems with minor noise.
But on a couple it was the other way around. Why? No idea yet.
Maybe someone with more experience can chime in?

I found the following answer a week ago researching similar questions. From a Topaz rep talking about Clear VS: Sharpen,
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"Rick – the biggest difference comes from the types of images that the two software were trained to handle.

AI Clear was trained on mostly noisy images, therefore it works best on images that have a high level of noise. While it will also sharpen the output, its main advantage lies in reducing noise while preserving detail. It will give suboptimal results on images with motion or lens blur because it doesn’t know how to handle those.

On the other hand, Sharpen AI was trained on mostly blurry images, so it works best on images with some form of motion blur, lens blur, or general softness. While it can handle some levels of noise, a very noisy image will give it trouble (and you might see some artifacts).

If you’re lucky enough to have both a very noisy *and* very blurry image, put it through AI Clear first and then use Sharpen. Anyways, great question – especially because Sharpen has a “noise” control and AI Clear has a “sharpness” control!"
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"Can I use two processing modes on the same image?

If you come across a situation that you would like to use two processing modes (Sharpen, Stabilize, Focus) on one image, then you need will simply need to run your image twice through Sharpen AI. Choose your first processing mode, save and then open the saved image in Sharpen AI again to apply another processing mode."
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Hope this helps, even if just a tiny bit.

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Jan 10, 2020 13:01:50   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
DaveJ wrote:
I'm a new user to DeNoise AI and AI Sharpen. In trying to learn, like you, I have found the following.
In my use, it seems DeNoise and Clear works somewhat best on noisy images.
Sharpen works somewhat best on images with focus, blur and movement problems with minor noise.
But on a couple it was the other way around. Why? No idea yet.
Maybe someone with more experience can chime in?

I found the following answer a week ago researching similar questions. From a Topaz rep talking about Clear VS: Sharpen,
############################################################

"Rick – the biggest difference comes from the types of images that the two software were trained to handle.

AI Clear was trained on mostly noisy images, therefore it works best on images that have a high level of noise. While it will also sharpen the output, its main advantage lies in reducing noise while preserving detail. It will give suboptimal results on images with motion or lens blur because it doesn’t know how to handle those.

On the other hand, Sharpen AI was trained on mostly blurry images, so it works best on images with some form of motion blur, lens blur, or general softness. While it can handle some levels of noise, a very noisy image will give it trouble (and you might see some artifacts).

If you’re lucky enough to have both a very noisy *and* very blurry image, put it through AI Clear first and then use Sharpen. Anyways, great question – especially because Sharpen has a “noise” control and AI Clear has a “sharpness” control!"
#####################################################

Also found
########################################################

"Can I use two processing modes on the same image?

If you come across a situation that you would like to use two processing modes (Sharpen, Stabilize, Focus) on one image, then you need will simply need to run your image twice through Sharpen AI. Choose your first processing mode, save and then open the saved image in Sharpen AI again to apply another processing mode."
######################################################

Hope this helps, even if just a tiny bit.
I'm a new user to DeNoise AI and AI Sharpen. In tr... (show quote)


Thanks Dave for digging into this! The research does help to understand how they work together.

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Jan 10, 2020 18:33:15   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
jaysnave wrote:
Count me in with the impressed. I was first very impressed with DeNoise AI, then Sharpen AI. My question for the group, is there a sequence that works well between the two? What I mean is DeNoise has sharpening and Sharpening has noise reduction. DeNoise also has an option for AI Clear. Are any of these the same algorithm or are they different enough that both applications should be used and in what sequence for best results? I have been doing some experimenting, but wondered if anyone has found the best technique.
Count me in with the impressed. I was first very ... (show quote)


I haven't come to a conclusion yet as to which is the best order.

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Jan 11, 2020 09:52:14   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
JimH123 wrote:
I haven't come to a conclusion yet as to which is the best order.


I think I will reach out to Topaz for the recommended work flow/technique. So far I haven't found anything that was definitely the wrong move.

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Jan 24, 2020 15:47:30   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
Denoise AI vs. 2 just out.

First is a squirrel pic at 25,600 ISO
Second is with Denoise AI vs 2 (also some quick Lightroom edits, but not noise reduction)


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Jan 24, 2020 17:28:16   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
jaysnave wrote:
Denoise AI vs. 2 just out.

First is a squirrel pic at 25,600 ISO
Second is with Denoise AI vs 2 (also some quick Lightroom edits, but not noise reduction)


Quite a difference!

Just downloaded and installed Denoise AI 2. Launched it and saw that it came up OK. But haven't tried it yet.

For those that have Denoise AI version 1, the new version 2 is free.

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Jan 24, 2020 17:35:07   #
jaysnave Loc: Central Ohio
 
JimH123 wrote:
Quite a difference!

Just downloaded and installed Denoise AI 2. Launched it and saw that it came up OK. But haven't tried it yet.

For those that have Denoise AI version 1, the new version 2 is free.


For those that want to upgrade you need to uninstall Denoise AI for this one. Then restart and install version two

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Jan 24, 2020 18:00:43   #
DaveJ Loc: NE Missouri
 
I just looked at the website to see if more info on the new Denoise and saw they have it on sale for $59.99. After I bought it about 6 weeks ago, they sent me a link to share that gives an additional 15% off. If anyone wants that link, PM me. (Full disclosure, they said I would get $10 for whomever uses the link to purchase). (So you can get it for $50.99 for however long the sale lasts)

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