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Jan 5, 2020 19:44:44   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
gmccaleb1 wrote:
Suggestions, please. I am a hobbyist photographer with no plans of ever charging for my work. I have beautiful grandchildren and love dressing them up and photographing them. I have a d7100 and 5 Nikon mount lenses that will fit full frame. I also have a Sony a 6000 with 4 lenses. I shoot with natural light and am getting so much noise with both cameras, I feel it is affecting the quality of the photos and editing capabilities. I don't want to invest a huge amount of money ($1000's) but feel it's time for an upgrade. I'm considering the d750 or the d810 and would consider the used market. In my case, what would you recommend? Would you be comfortable buying from ebay? What should I look out for other than seller's history? Thanks in advance!
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I used a D810 for two years for nature photography until it met a tragic end. It is an excellent camera. Not familiar with the D750

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Jan 5, 2020 20:38:34   #
gmccaleb1
 
Aperture priority 3.2 ISO 800 Nikkor 85mm lens

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Jan 5, 2020 20:41:29   #
gmccaleb1
 
justhercamera wrote:
What were your settings on this photo?


Aperture priority 3.2 ISO 800 Nikkor 85mm 1.8 lens

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Jan 5, 2020 20:49:23   #
gmccaleb1
 
david vt wrote:
Hi. When you post, check off the download button so folks can access the photo. Also, what settings are you using? Have you tried to push the iso higher to fix the under-exposure so not so much noise created in post? Are you fairly wide open (to the limit of the DoF you need)? You mention the lenses, but are they VR?


While I know you say hard to capture kids as they move fast, you could do a bit of experimenting with different settings sans kids to see how far you can push before the noise bothers you

I like the book suggestion by CO as well. One of the more technically proficient contributors. Not trying to talk you out of new gear if that is the solution, but I think you might experiment a bit first. I like my D7200 even in low light, but agree that the larger pixels of a FF would help in your situation.
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David, I haven't posted so long here, I've forgotten the format. I always ask for advice here because everyone is so knowledgeable. I shot in Aperture priority 3.2 ISO 800. My lenses are VR. These were way over exposed and that has something to do with the problem. I shoot a lot indoors with window light and much prefer that to a strobe. Plus, that's another big learning curve. I do need to practice more and see exactly how far I can go with the noise. Thanks for all the tips and I'll check out that book!

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Jan 5, 2020 21:11:27   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
I shoot manual for landscape and manual plus auto I SO for nature. I used that setup with my D810 and use it now with my D850

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Jan 5, 2020 21:13:09   #
justhercamera Loc: NW Michigan
 
What you were doing is very low light and noise would easily be an issue. I would expect to see it with the D850 as well. I have been looking at the Z6 and because it is full framed but only 24 mp, it handles low light very well, and with the in camera stabilization, it allows much slower speeds.

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Jan 6, 2020 06:51:40   #
nikonuser750 Loc: Monroe, LA
 
gmccaleb1 wrote:
This was way under exposed but I was on IS0 800 and afraid to go higher. This of course is the edited version with the Luminance slider in LR at 65. There's not much time for setup or practice with these kids. I have to try to think fast and sometimes that's not nearly enough. Maybe I should rent a camera and see if there's enough difference in what I'm doing to warrent and upgrade. I would like to get into more fine art photography and have so much to learn. I felt that starting with the best grade of photo would be my first step.
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This is the kind of picture I love to take with my D750. From the graphs I've seen, it comes close to the D850 in low light situations for a lot less money. I'd never want to ruin that picture with a strobe. I do have a great Nikon SB-800 speedlight but except for group photos and some other situations I always go with natural light when possible. The D750 is amazing in low light situations and you can certainly go above ISO 800 with no problems.

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Jan 6, 2020 07:42:44   #
tomcat
 
justhercamera wrote:
Take a look at Nikon's Z6. It handles low light beautifully, from what I have seen and read.


The Z6 does handle low light very well. I use mine several times a week for basketball games in low light gyms, night time soccer games and for special events like plays and concerts. It delivers great shots at iso 8000-12000, especially when coupled with Topaz AI Clear. One thing that will make quite a big difference is high quality sharp lenses. The best 3 lenses I have are the Sigma Art series, the champion being the 135mm.

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Jan 6, 2020 07:49:38   #
tomcat
 
gmccaleb1 wrote:
This was way under exposed but I was on IS0 800 and afraid to go higher. This of course is the edited version with the Luminance slider in LR at 65. There's not much time for setup or practice with these kids. I have to try to think fast and sometimes that's not nearly enough. Maybe I should rent a camera and see if there's enough difference in what I'm doing to warrent and upgrade. I would like to get into more fine art photography and have so much to learn. I felt that starting with the best grade of photo would be my first step.
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I personally don't see anything wrong with this shot because it's a natural light image. I myself like 2 things in particular: the softness as it graduates away from the center and the way the image transitions from the chair into the shadows. The girl in the center appears to have a great focus and I can tell it's a shallow DOF. I really like what you did by capturing the exact precise moment of action and you could not have posed this shot any better. You definitely should print this and exhibit it.

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Jan 6, 2020 07:50:13   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
The D750 is a great camera (in my opinion), and it's my first choice when I go out shooting. I also have a Sony a6000 and Fuji X-T30 for when I need something small. Lowering the ISO will reduce noise. Combining that with a faster lens will help to keep the noise low. You can also process out a certain amount of noise.

I've bought lots of used and refurbished cameras on eBay and elsewhere. I'd look for refurbished before used.

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Jan 6, 2020 07:51:21   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
gmccaleb1 wrote:
There's not much time for setup or practice with these kids.


That's a great shot.

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Jan 6, 2020 07:54:00   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
gmccaleb1 wrote:
Suggestions, please. I am a hobbyist photographer with no plans of ever charging for my work. I have beautiful grandchildren and love dressing them up and photographing them. I have a d7100 and 5 Nikon mount lenses that will fit full frame. I also have a Sony a 6000 with 4 lenses. I shoot with natural light and am getting so much noise with both cameras, I feel it is affecting the quality of the photos and editing capabilities. I don't want to invest a huge amount of money ($1000's) but feel it's time for an upgrade. I'm considering the d750 or the d810 and would consider the used market. In my case, what would you recommend? Would you be comfortable buying from ebay? What should I look out for other than seller's history? Thanks in advance!
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Either the D750 or D810 will do the job for you. The Nikon D750 was outstanding right out of the box. A new D750 is $500 over your budget but check refurbished. A refurbished one is only $50 over your budget.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1237482-REG/nikon_1543b_d750_dslr_camera_body.html?sts=pi&pim=Y

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Jan 6, 2020 08:03:45   #
mymike Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
I wouldn’t upgrade until you try the suggestions on reducing the noise. You have two good camera’s and kids are hard to shoot.

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Jan 6, 2020 08:06:12   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
mymike wrote:
I wouldn’t upgrade until you try the suggestions on reducing the noise. You have two good camera’s and kids are hard to shoot.



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Jan 6, 2020 08:17:03   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
When I hear the word noise I am always curious about the ISO speed used, the technique and under which conditions the shot was made. Noise free cameras as far as I know are not available yet.
Some cameras do better than others but in general, with proper use ISO 1600 with cameras like yours should do a reasonable job. It is a common practice to ETTR or exposing to the right of the histogram shooting RAW data but without clipping the highlights. It is common also to use a denoise software and in my case I use Topaz Denoise AI that does a fantastic job to clean the images without taking away details. They offer a 30 day free trial.

Although it is common practice to use lenses made for full frame cameras with cropped sensors those lenses if they are teles do better than other lenses when used with those cameras. I prefer DX lenses for DX cameras because they use the whole sensor except for using teles which I do often for wildlife. It is very possible that you buy a camera such as the D750, an excellent tool and instead you find your images as noisy as you did with the D7100 at the same ISO settings you have been using. Change your technique and the difference should be obvious and consider a denoise program if still you want to keep the D7100.

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