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Sep 19, 2012 11:19:31   #
jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula
 
if you gotta ask how much it is...then you cannot afford it.

a chevy will drive you across town..same as a bmw...the basic functionality is the same.....but the luxury isn't.

i say god bless the people that can afford the bmw....i cannot, so i drive what i can afford.

same with cameras....you buy what you can afford. that's why they make 7d's and 540x, etc...for us po' folk.

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Sep 19, 2012 11:34:02   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
unclebe1 wrote:
Snob appeal?.....perhaps, but there is soooo much more than that involved. Why do we continually strive to improve products and services that are 'good enough'? Why does Leica have a 50mm f0.95 lens for $10,000? Isn't an f1.2 good enough? Why did we go to the moon? Its in our dna...sorta like the sharks (and I don't mean lawyers although it applies)....keep moving or die. :D
If you don't need it or don't want it, then by all means don't buy it, but don't denigrate it and try to dismiss it as only 'snob appeal'.
Snob appeal?.....perhaps, but there is soooo much ... (show quote)


Well said! My company logo: "Innovate or Die"

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Sep 19, 2012 12:16:55   #
jimberton Loc: Michigan's Upper Peninsula
 
Julian wrote:
unclebe1 wrote:
Snob appeal?.....perhaps, but there is soooo much more than that involved. Why do we continually strive to improve products and services that are 'good enough'? Why does Leica have a 50mm f0.95 lens for $10,000? Isn't an f1.2 good enough? Why did we go to the moon? Its in our dna...sorta like the sharks (and I don't mean lawyers although it applies)....keep moving or die. :D
If you don't need it or don't want it, then by all means don't buy it, but don't denigrate it and try to dismiss it as only 'snob appeal'.
Snob appeal?.....perhaps, but there is soooo much ... (show quote)


Well said! My company logo: "Innovate or Die"
quote=unclebe1 Snob appeal?.....perhaps, but ther... (show quote)


great logo!!!! i love it!!!

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Sep 19, 2012 12:17:55   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Mogul wrote:
unclebe1 wrote:
Why do people buy Rolex watches (and there are numerous brands that are WAY more expensive than Rolex)? A Timex will keep time just as well (and even better if the Rolex is a manual or automatic). It's more than just function.


Leica, Rolex, exotic cars, etc. - snob appeal!


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Kinda like only shooting in RAW. IMHO

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Sep 19, 2012 22:21:16   #
Pasha69 Loc: SoCal beach area
 
If the snobs wouldn't buy the Leicas, Zeiss cameras and lenses, L Series, MBZ's, Porsches etc that pay for the engineering of products that ultimately end up in the consumer market then the "reverse snobs" would have nothing to critisize, would they....?

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Sep 19, 2012 23:38:30   #
wbym300 Loc: Wisconsin
 
I think a finely engineered car, watch, camera is something that the owner will feel the craftsmanship and there is a certain amount of pride that goes with that. I am not wealthy but I really enjoy the things that I do have that are finely crafted. I truly enjoy my old F-1 canon film camera. I know it like the back of my hand, Its built like a tank and in 35 years has never failed to give me great pictures...if I do my job.

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Sep 20, 2012 01:12:35   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
selmslie wrote:
FilmFanatic wrote:
Also, I don't think a Leica owner would say the Canon produces better images. Leica lenses are among the finest lenses ever made, L lenses are not in the same league, they would argue

Leica M rangefinders (and Zeiss Icon at 1/3 the price) are the gold standard for lens quality in the wide angle to moderate telephoto range. No other 35mm cameras can compare. Their lenses perform better wide open (especially the 50mm f/2) than others stopped down.

New Leicas are expensive, but used they are reasonable.

But rangefinders provide an entirely different way to photograph. They are appropriate for travel, street and personal photography (they are incredibly quiet) but not for macro, action or sports since you do not have long telephoto, zooms and macro lenses.

You can still take a better picture on film with a fifty year old Leica and lens than with a new DSLR that costs 3 times as much. Five years from now that $3,000 DSLR will be obsolete and in the dustbin and the Leica will be only 55 years old.
quote=FilmFanatic Also, I don't think a Leica own... (show quote)

I have no argument with what you said, except one thing:
Try telling Robert Capa and Ernie Pyle that Leicas were no good for action.

BTW, try to convince me that the reason people buy Leica's today is for their quality. The only other reason for purchasing a Leica or a Rolex is as an investment (much wiser that the stock market).

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Sep 20, 2012 04:24:59   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
Pasha69 wrote:
If the snobs wouldn't buy the Leicas, Zeiss cameras and lenses, L Series, MBZ's, Porsches etc that pay for the engineering of products that ultimately end up in the consumer market then the "reverse snobs" would have nothing to critisize, would they....?


Probably not, but I don't see anything that resembles Porche on my Ford.

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Sep 20, 2012 10:07:54   #
Pasha69 Loc: SoCal beach area
 
You very well might though if you drove an Audi or VW,but I think you missed the point.

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