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Dec 27, 2019 00:15:27   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
fetzler wrote:
Having worked in jobs with both Apple and PC's in use, I found Apple computers to be problematic.

Here are the experiences of an Apple repairman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8


Oh, bull poop.

I’ve used both platforms since the early 1980s. Each has advantages and drawbacks. But there’s a reason IBM has installed hundreds of thousands of Macs...

https://www.jamf.com/resources/press-releases/ibm-announces-research-showing-mac-enables-greater-productivity-and-employee-satisfaction-at-ibm/

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Dec 27, 2019 01:32:16   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
tramsey wrote:
I don't like either one so I built my own. I went to a computer parts site and picked and choose exactly what I wanted. That was a couple of years ago and this things still is smokin' fast is virus free and boots up in less than twenty seconds. Still don't like Mac or PC


Then what platform/OS are you running?

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Dec 27, 2019 02:01:17   #
Dossile
 
David Martin wrote:
Oh please.

I began using PCs when the operating system was MS DOS 2.11. Over the years I have owned and used computers made by Compaq, IBM, Dell, HP, Lenovo, Micron, Gateway and Toshiba. I used nearly every operating system Microsoft released, as well as versions of IBM's PC-DOS, IBM's OS/2, Digital Research's versions of DOS, and memory extenders such as QRAM and QEMM. Back when hard drives came on expansion cards, and a built-in 1 megabyte hard drive would set you back a neat $1000.

So don't tell me I know nothing about computers.
Oh please. br br I began using PCs when the opera... (show quote)


You brought back a lot of memories. I’m not a computer professional. I’d forgotten about buying a large tower from Compaq, Dell, HP, Gateway or a local vendor and then eventually upgrading the computer with individual components, taking off the back and adding RAM here and another graphics card there, a new hard drive, a new mouse. Not to mention periodically entering DOS commands and erasing the hard drive, entering the startup mode and re entering all my programs again because they no longer interfaced quickly with the new DOS or Windows version. Oh those wonderful floppy discs. Learning my way around a PC and DOS/Windows was fun and made me feel pretty smart. Now I’m happy to pay my IT guy to service my PC system at work. We spend a lot of money on computers and servers. They need to work, and they generally do. But it frequently takes IT to make it happen. I was tired of similar hassles for home and hobby where I was IT, so I moved to MAC for personal use over a decade ago and am very happy with the decision.

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Dec 27, 2019 02:58:51   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Oh, bull poop.

I’ve used both platforms since the early 1980s. Each has advantages and drawbacks. But there’s a reason IBM has installed hundreds of thousands of Macs...

https://www.jamf.com/resources/press-releases/ibm-announces-research-showing-mac-enables-greater-productivity-and-employee-satisfaction-at-ibm/


Interesting article. And current, dated November 12, 2019.

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Dec 27, 2019 07:23:09   #
David Martin Loc: Cary, NC
 
mas24 wrote:
Interesting article. And current, dated November 12, 2019.

Agreed. This sentence from the article speaks volumes: "IBM also found that only 5% of Mac users called the help desk for assistance, compared to 40% of PC users."

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Dec 27, 2019 08:14:08   #
no12mo
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
I used to work for a retail store called CompUSA and we sold Macs and PC's. I wasn't Mac proficient in Macs so I mostly sold and grew my knowledge on the PC side of things. But my curiosity got me and I wandered over to the Mac side of the store to see what they are all about. Back then a lot of customers were wanting Window software so a lot of Macs boasted about being Windows compatible with a special conversion app that booted Windows up and ran all of the Windows software. Wow! But it was slower than molasse in the winter time and crashed often. It was a bust. They boasted about the RISK processor that was faster than an Intel or AMD processor because it supposedly had a less complicated way of processing. Maybe; but they weren't convincing me that they were better than others just because they deal with code differently. I still got their blue screen of death just about any time I wanted to stress out the computer with quick launching of applications and using keyboard combinations for quick things. And most of those differed greatly from a PC so it took a lot to remember them. Getting peripherals to work aren't as easy as they say either. A friend of mine has a new Canon Pro-100 printer that I've never been able to get working on her Mac. I've tried for hours on two separate occasions. I told her to call Canon and they would help. She has been too busy to call but said she'd try after the new year. Oh, she has had that printer for about 2 or more years now and not a single print has come off that printer.. not even a test print. So much for ease of use for Macs.
I used to work for a retail store called CompUSA a... (show quote)


WOW! CompUSA! That brings back memories. We had a CompUSA in Salem, NH on the way home from my commute from work. I used to stop there at least once a week just to bask in the excitement of the place. They had everything computer. Need a vid card? Yeah, they had that in spades. HD? Yup that too. SW in a box that you can fondle and read all the things it did, you name it.

Ah, memories. Apple Computer? It may come down to what kind of photo SW you want to run and and if it is ONLY available for use in an Apple. The invincibility of an Apple is a myth. It's just that Apple is not ubiquitous enough to be of interest to the criminal element to make hacking the Apple worth their while.

Al

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Dec 27, 2019 08:45:46   #
danbir1 Loc: North Potomac, MD
 
I never liked Apple products, they are too costly and not superior to a lot of good quality PC's AND smart phones, but then again, if you want to spend the extra money, go ahead and do it and be happy.

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Dec 27, 2019 09:27:24   #
richandtd Loc: Virginia
 
A year ago I was on the fence sipping the apple juice and thinking of a Mac Pro but settled on a custom built PC by Puget Systems which is almost as expensive as the Mac Pro but a quite fast photo processing machine.

Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Pro WiFi
Motherboard
Intel Core i9 9900K 3.6GHz Eight Core 16MB 95W
CPU
Noctua NH-U12S
CPU Cooling
Crucial DDR4-2666 16GB
Ram for a total of 64GB
Samsung 970 EVO 2TB M.2 SSD
Hard Drive. Main system drive
3 Samsung 860 Pro 2TB SATA3 2.5inch SSD
Hard Drives that are combined making a Raid5
For my storage
Asus 16x Blu-ray Burner SATA (black)
CD / DVD Rom
NVIDIA Quadro P4000
Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C Black
Case
BenQ 3200u calibrated with spyder

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Dec 27, 2019 11:13:12   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
no12mo wrote:
Apple Computer? It may come down to what kind of photo SW you want to run and and if it is ONLY available for use in an Apple. The invincibility of an Apple is a myth. It's just that Apple is not ubiquitous enough to be of interest to the criminal element to make hacking the Apple worth their while.

Al


True enough.

I run Windows 10 on Parallels Desktop on an iMac, when I need PC-only software. I've used that approach for over a decade. In the 1980s through 2008, I had a Mac AND a PC in my office at work. But then I needed to hit the road, produce content on a Mac, and demonstrate proprietary software with a PC. Parallels on a MacBook Pro let me do it all with one computer.

I use Apple's Final Cut Pro X video editing software, which is phenomenal, now, after a long re-development cycle. It runs only on Macs. And honestly, I'd rather use the Mac for everything else I can, too, except for database development in FileMaker Pro (A product from an Apple subsidiary that runs more flexibly on Windows than on Macs, but is easier to develop on the Mac!).

DaVinci Resolve is a good alternative video editor that runs on Macs and Windows PCs. Premiere Pro? It still lags a bit on the Mac, and I don't like the Adobe AV workflow. Avid? Great stuff, but I don't need it. My son in film school might, at some point.

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Dec 27, 2019 14:00:40   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
chrissybabe wrote:
That may be so BUT you are obviously an Apple fanboy because you totally decided to ignore what Louis was commenting about. If you actually listened and watched what he says then you wouldn't touch Apple again with a barge pole. In fact you would probably be signing up for a class action against Apple.
Oh and maybe you have been influenced by the number of videos where somebody is using a laptop and note that it is an Apple with the logo conveniently lit up and facing the camera ? This is total BS and is only like this because Apple has one of the most expensive product placement departments of any company.
That may be so BUT you are obviously an Apple fanb... (show quote)


I agree, these subjects bring out the fans boys and pom pom dancers.

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Dec 27, 2019 14:13:07   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
fetzler wrote:
Having worked in jobs with both Apple and PC's in use, I found Apple computers to be problematic.

Here are the experiences of an Apple repairman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUaJ8pDlxi8


WOW !!!! just 5 pages, whats wrong here. Where are all the HOGGERS ?
Regardless of your preference of puters, this is a good video offering.
Me, I use both. Every morning I use my iPad Pro to read the daily post. I use DELL desktops to do business. And oh yes, I had a MAC Book Pro that most MAC fanboys would kill for.
Apple appeals to the 'fashion conscience' minded people and they know this and cater to this.
I like their products and have been considering getting another MACBOOK Pro. but for the cost and performance delivery ? Hell no. I look at the refurbs and this was my focus since hopefully the problems were fixed. Still to much. I AM NOT A FAN BOY FOR ANY BRAND INCLUDING CAMERAS, OK.
Both brands work, that is it ! period. You like Fords, you over there, you like Chevy's, you over there, you like Dodges. Hey you over there, you like Honda's. Let us all just enjoy the variety we have for us.
GOD please bless you all and HAPPY NEW YEAR.
Bruce.

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Dec 27, 2019 15:54:57   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
no12mo wrote:
WOW! CompUSA! That brings back memories. We had a CompUSA in Salem, NH on the way home from my commute from work. I used to stop there at least once a week just to bask in the excitement of the place. They had everything computer. Need a vid card? Yeah, they had that in spades. HD? Yup that too. SW in a box that you can fondle and read all the things it did, you name it.

Ah, memories. Apple Computer? It may come down to what kind of photo SW you want to run and and if it is ONLY available for use in an Apple. The invincibility of an Apple is a myth. It's just that Apple is not ubiquitous enough to be of interest to the criminal element to make hacking the Apple worth their while.

Al
WOW! CompUSA! That brings back memories. We had ... (show quote)



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Dec 27, 2019 15:56:13   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
This polarization towards either Macs or PCs is seriously interesting. I have had a view for a long time that Mac users were people who couldn't hack the slightly greater intricacies of a PC. People who basically didn't have the brain power to use a PC (on which you can do far more things than you can on a Mac). These thoughts came about because I lost a number of PC customers over to Macs. And why I thought this was because most of these customers were people who were lacking in brainpower. I would explain something to them (when they still had the PC), they would nod their head sagely but I found on my next visit that they obviously hadn't understood anything I had told them. Then later I would find they had bought a Mac.
Unfortunately amongst my friends I have a few whose brainpower is not in doubt and they also prefer Macs.
So bottom line is that I now think it is something to do with the way a person thinks that makes some minds cotton on to the logic of a Mac whereas others handle a PC better. Left hemisphere brain verse right hemisphere brain or something. I would love to know what this difference is as would everybody in marketing. I do know that one of the differences is that a Mac user is usually more fervent in his/her defence of their Mac use so knowing this I have to confess to pushing their buttons occasionally and maybe this is one of the differences showing up in me.
My wife is a very good graphics designer (for 40 years) and she has been a PC user for all her design life where computers have been a part of it. She thinks Macs are so weird and would never change.
So what are the basic differences between a Mac and PC user ? Also interestingly is that preferring an iphone to all others does not show across the Mac v PC boundaries because a lot of PC users prefer using an iphone. Probably one of the main reasons why I prefer Android to iphone is Apples stance towards repairs and the cost of ownership. But that's me (and Louis Rossman although he makes his income because of Apples stance).

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Dec 27, 2019 16:48:57   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
chrissybabe wrote:
This polarization towards either Macs or PCs is seriously interesting. I have had a view for a long time that Mac users were people who couldn't hack the slightly greater intricacies of a PC. People who basically didn't have the brain power to use a PC (on which you can do far more things than you can on a Mac). These thoughts came about because I lost a number of PC customers over to Macs. And why I thought this was because most of these customers were people who were lacking in brainpower. I would explain something to them (when they still had the PC), they would nod their head sagely but I found on my next visit that they obviously hadn't understood anything I had told them. Then later I would find they had bought a Mac.
Unfortunately amongst my friends I have a few whose brainpower is not in doubt and they also prefer Macs.
So bottom line is that I now think it is something to do with the way a person thinks that makes some minds cotton on to the logic of a Mac whereas others handle a PC better. Left hemisphere brain verse right hemisphere brain or something. I would love to know what this difference is as would everybody in marketing. I do know that one of the differences is that a Mac user is usually more fervent in his/her defence of their Mac use so knowing this I have to confess to pushing their buttons occasionally and maybe this is one of the differences showing up in me.
My wife is a very good graphics designer (for 40 years) and she has been a PC user for all her design life where computers have been a part of it. She thinks Macs are so weird and would never change.
So what are the basic differences between a Mac and PC user ? Also interestingly is that preferring an iphone to all others does not show across the Mac v PC boundaries because a lot of PC users prefer using an iphone. Probably one of the main reasons why I prefer Android to iphone is Apples stance towards repairs and the cost of ownership. But that's me (and Louis Rossman although he makes his income because of Apples stance).
This polarization towards either Macs or PCs is se... (show quote)


This is a very good and intelligent reply. I had an iPHONE provided by my employer and gave it back. To the average Joe user out there they serve them fine.
It is all about personal preference to what ever some one is used to.
To me me being a now retired tech who deal with both platforms, I just do not care about all the BS fan boy stuff. I like both but I have seen this observation about the MAC users in general reflecting back to what you noted. To me, what ever works for some one is good.
Apple makes the whole device as opposed to Windows which is just installed on what ever device you chose to to buy. That is the big difference.
You can chose what you want to get with a Windows based device.
It gets fun doesn't it ?
bruce

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Dec 28, 2019 13:06:39   #
JackB
 
My guess here is that those that do not like Apple, have never owned their stock. Also, can you complain about the price of a Mac when some are paying $3-6K for a camera?

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