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Dec 22, 2019 22:02:02   #
RayF Loc: New Jersey
 
Quickflash wrote:
Hi and happy holidays to my friends here on UHH. I don't post here often but I do lurk a lot, so I wanted to start out with something positive before I start my rant.
Several years ago, I heard on UHH that Abes of Maine was a good reputable camera store, but I had never dealt with them before. Fast forward to Dec. 12. I was looking for a new camera online and noticed that Abes of Maine, (who I have reason think is actually in New Jersey, if so, just another thing he lies about), had a Canon 90D on sale for about $100 less that everyone else. Their website led me to believe that this was the exact same, brand new 90D I would get if I went to my usual favorite stores, (Adorama & B&H). So I bought it. Within 5 minute I get a call from a fast-talking salesman from Abe's trying to sell me a warranty, a memory card and God knows what else. When I questioned the need to purchase a warranty on a brand new camera, it was only then that I became aware that I had purchased a Gray Market Camera! Now I know some people like to save some money and think that gray market is just fine. After all it is the same exact camera, just without a manufacturers warranty. So if that's what you want, Abe's has it, but they just don't like to talk about it, or the fact that they are not even a Canon authorized dealer! To my way of thinking, that is a deceptive way to do business, and so I immediately told the guy to cancel the sale. He responded by saying that he would 'Upgrade my purchase" by giving me a legit Canon USA camera with full USA warranty, plus a memory card that retails for something like $160 and only charge me an additional $79.00 for the entire deal. He convinced that me this was not a gray market camera, so I said okay. Right after I hung up, I had a bad feeling about this.
The following Monday the package comes. I open the package and find the camera packed in a box that originally included a kit lens, but the lens was removed. I take out the camera, go online to Canon's website to register that camera, and found out that they sold me a gray market camera after all.
I repacked the camera and got on the phone to Abe's of Maine.
After talking to no less than 7 people as I was passed around from one person to another and to voicemail, I finally got someone to help me.
 I explained the situation to her no less than 3 times and asked her to send me a shipping label for the return. She said she could not promise that, but would try. Obviously she did not try hard enough, because now it cost me $30.85 to return this item because their salesman lied to me at the time of purchase!!!
Anyway, I sent it back at my own expense, and learned my lesson. From now on I will only buy cameras and the like from Adorama or B&H. Meanwhile, although they sent me an email stating they have issued a refund, as of this moment, my card has not be credited. I was hoping to get that credit in time for me to place an order from Adorama and receive my new camera in time for the holidays. That is not going to happen. If I don't get the refund soon I will file a claim with the credit card company. I would have done that already, but the CC company suggested I wait and give them a chance to do right.
This was supposed to be my xmas present from my girlfriend, so I guess it will eventually be a New Years present, or maybe easter or Yom Kippur! I'll have to wait.

Dave
Hi and happy holidays to my friends here on UHH. I... (show quote)

Back in August I purchased a Canon 80d from Abe’s. I knew it was grey market and decided to go for it. Just as you report I received a call from a salesman. In my case, however, he offered me a non grey market camera for 100.00 more than I had paid.
I opted to take that for 799.00. That price was as low as I had seen anywhere. I received the camera, registered it with Canon, assuring it was not grey.
Since I went in knowing that the item was grey and expecting a call I was not at all unhappy with the end result.
We will never call them Honest Abe but there are still good deals to be had.

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Dec 22, 2019 22:36:13   #
adamsg Loc: Chubbuck, ID
 
I remember dealing with 42nd Street twenty-five years ago, when I was looking for a telephoto for my Nikon F. I got a very pushy salesman who said that the deal that attracted me to call them was "no longer available", but he had this great deal on a lens that was only $150 more. I hung up while he was still spouting off about the great deal I'd get. That cured my of dealing with anyone in places I couldn't drive to. Well times do change and in addition to a fine local camera store, I have done some business with B&H and am very satisfied. It is too bad when skunks make us suspicious of really reputable stores.

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Dec 22, 2019 22:54:49   #
smussler Loc: Land O Lakes, FL - Formerly Miller Place, NY
 
IDguy wrote:
Cameta is excellent too.

They include one year warranty free for Nikon refurbs, which Nikon only warrants for 90 days.


And sad to read on another thread, now out of business. Web Site is down. Were not answering phone yesterday.

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Dec 22, 2019 23:24:04   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
RayF wrote:
Back in August I purchased a Canon 80d from Abe’s. I knew it was grey market and decided to go for it. Just as you report I received a call from a salesman. In my case, however, he offered me a non grey market camera for 100.00 more than I had paid.
I opted to take that for 799.00. That price was as low as I had seen anywhere. I received the camera, registered it with Canon, assuring it was not grey.
Since I went in knowing that the item was grey and expecting a call I was not at all unhappy with the end result.
We will never call them Honest Abe but there are still good deals to be had.
Back in August I purchased a Canon 80d from Abe’s.... (show quote)


I notice you are from New Jersey---Hmm. Don't work for Abe's do you?

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Dec 22, 2019 23:26:30   #
Quickflash Loc: Loganville, Ga
 
RayF wrote:
Back in August I purchased a Canon 80d from Abe’s. I knew it was grey market and decided to go for it. Just as you report I received a call from a salesman. In my case, however, he offered me a non grey market camera for 100.00 more than I had paid.
I opted to take that for 799.00. That price was as low as I had seen anywhere. I received the camera, registered it with Canon, assuring it was not grey.
Since I went in knowing that the item was grey and expecting a call I was not at all unhappy with the end result.
We will never call them Honest Abe but there are still good deals to be had.
Back in August I purchased a Canon 80d from Abe’s.... (show quote)


Ray,
I think what you might be missing here, is that when I told this salesman to cancel my order, he also promised to give me a non grey market camera, but he LIED. If I could have registered that camera, this thread would never have been written.

Fantom asked if you work for Abe. Your lack of a reply makes me wonder...

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Dec 22, 2019 23:30:35   #
Quickflash Loc: Loganville, Ga
 
smussler wrote:
And sad to read on another thread, now out of business. Web Site is down. Were not answering phone yesterday.


I hope Cameta is not gone. I have been to their store, although it was many years ago. They treated me very well.

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Dec 22, 2019 23:31:38   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
Did the fast-talking salesman tell you what kind of memory card he was supplying that would "retail" for $160.00?

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Dec 22, 2019 23:43:49   #
Quickflash Loc: Loganville, Ga
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Did the fast-talking salesman tell you what kind of memory card he was supplying that would "retail" for $160.00?


A fair question. Yes, he gave me a whole sales pitch about how it can easily record 4K video, is faster, and how I need this with that particular camera, yada yada yada yada, etc. ad nauseam. It would have been a good deal if he sold me the camera with the Canon USA warranty. It would have been a good deal if he wasn't a liar. It would have been a good deal if I bought it from Adorama, as I started to do in the 1st place.

Anyway, my CC company has assured me that I will get my money back one way or another. I lost $30.85 in shipping it back because I was willing to eat that to be done with them. Hopefully between this thread and a facebook post, it will cost Abe more than it did me. So I learned a hard lesson. I hope Abe will learn one too.

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Dec 22, 2019 23:45:23   #
MDI Mainer
 
jdubu wrote:
The only problem is they still only have grey market cameras and lenses since they aren't an authorized dealer.


Understood, but if the savings are sufficient I think it's worth self-insuring against something going wrong down the road. If the product defect is immediately apparent you have the Amazon return window as protection.

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Dec 23, 2019 00:59:04   #
kkayser
 
dat2ra wrote:
I bought my D850 from Abe's and it was fine.


Is it a Nikon USA, and was the price less than B&H?

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Dec 23, 2019 13:28:56   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Jakebrake wrote:
I would also include MPB. An outstanding used buyer/seller IMO.


Yes. Another good one according to UHH consensus. I don’t have personal experience but have never heard a bad word about them.

Andy

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Dec 23, 2019 17:59:29   #
Quickflash Loc: Loganville, Ga
 
Update: I received a full refund from Abe's of Jersey! However, I changed my mind about the 90D. Instead, I decided to get a refurbished Canon 6D Mark II from Canon USA! That camera cost less than the new 90D and I already have 2 crop sensor cameras. I ordered a lens to go with the camera from my friends at Adorama! I got a Tokina 16-28mm f2.8 that I will be using for real estate photos.
I would have surely been happy with the 90D if I got it from a legit dealer, but after talking to friends and realizing I would be better off to go full frame, I think I made a better choice.
Thank again to all my fellow hedgehogs for your posts and for sharing your knowledge. Happy Holidays!!!

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Dec 24, 2019 10:57:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Quickflash wrote:
Hi and happy holidays to my friends here on UHH....

Dave



Hi Dave and happy holidays to you too!

Sorry you had to learn about Abe's of Maine the hard way.... If you had searched online and here on UHH and in other photo forums you would have found a lot of complaints about their "bait n switch" tactics and warnings to "stay clear".

I did a quick search just to see... What surprised me was that many of the business review websites showing them with a reasonably good reputation. Abes also has highly positive ratings on eBay and Amazon.

That's NOT been the experience of most users I'm aware of... There have been WAY too many stories like yours. So much so that this makes me trust the "trustworthiness" websites and the ratings on eBay and Amazon a lot less... It does NOT encourage me to trust Abes more.

Other websites like Canon Price Watch and most photography forums have clear warnings about Abes, urging buyers to avoid it.

The Better Business Bureau states that Westpark Electronics LLC, dba Abe's of Maine, is NOT accredited by the BBB and gives them a "D" rating for high number of complaints and failure to resolve underlying causes of complaints.

The original Abe's was a family run business in Maine. They were an authorized Canon dealer and were aggressive in their pricing competing with the "big boys" at Adorama and B&H, and were reasonably reliable.

That business model must not have been very profitable because they deteriorated and finally went bankrupt some years ago, after which they were purchased by the current owners.

Abes is no longer a Canon authorized dealer. They are "gray market" sellers almost entirely, though they disguise it by referring to things as "imported". They are also bait n switch.... every sale is followed up by a phone call informing you that you need to buy a warranty or some of the normally-included items (which they must have removed from the original packaging). Buyers will often end up paying more than if they had bought a USA warranted item through a reputable seller. If a buyer continues their purchase through Abes, they still aren't out of the woods... Because it's always a real crap shoot what you'll actually receive and they make it as difficult as possible to return items and get a refund, as you've discovered.

No one named Abe has worked there in years and the store is no longer in Maine. They're in New Jersey. If the first thing that comes to mind when you hear New Jersey is "The Sopranos", feel free to apply the mob/shyster/sleazeball/cheat-your-grandmother-for-a-dollar business model image to Abes. Actually, Tony Soprano might have higher morals.

Adorama will do right by you. So will some other reputable stores.

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Dec 24, 2019 12:01:22   #
Quickflash Loc: Loganville, Ga
 
[quote=amfoto1]Hi Dave and happy holidays to you too!

Thanks for reply. I did learn the hard way. I suspect that their reputation on eBay & Amazon is good because Amazon and eBay force sellers to play nice because they stand behind the buyer.

Lesson learned. I will be loyal to Adorama, B&H & Canon USA from now on.

Dave

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Dec 24, 2019 21:07:22   #
Rayart
 
I had an issue with Dell on a graphics card I returned at my own expense. Dell stopped responding. I believe they blocked my email at customer service. I had all the info on the returned item which was signed for. I finally turned to the BBB and they were able to resolve the issue. I got my money back in full. They will try had to help you. Also you can put your complaint on record. I believe that is why companies respond to their inquiries. They can give a company a bad rating. I hope this helps.

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