No, you are the 'awesome' one displaying your under educate understanding of world history. During the late period of the Roman Empire in the Circus Maximus city prostitutes demonstrated there abilities to gang rape a donkey to death as part of the in between spectacle. Good advertising of their 'skills'. My source is a scholar Dr. Robert Fabian who taught Latin.

Another interesting source for the intellectually under developed would be Lawrence Durrell, his powerful book TUNC. In the introduction he sights Dostoevsky by lifting that line from his book Notes From Underground "Man is not a piano key'.

So that you don't need to look up Tunc, it is derived from Latin and reflects the principle of "Pax Romana" which was Roman Rule by the Sword. So with Tunc we have a principle of rule, rearrange the letters in Tunc and you get the opposing notion of the Greek concept of Cunt, or Cunnilingus. This is a form of government that has the opposite approach from that of Tunc/Pax Romana.

If you push this further, you can see the notion of Tunc in the American System of power. Look at the meeting location for the US Government House of Representatives/Senate and you can see how the US Flag is draped, and that it rests between to Fascia with axe heads facing inward. We, the US, are a fascist state by this outward use of symbols.

By the way, it is out of ignorance that you two speak of the 'lesbian' card. Here is a minor test for you, do you know the meaning of 'Stonewall' and how it relates to the gay community? Ok, why do a bother, you two are what gays call breeders. Back to sleep boys!

Timmers, this section of the forum would be so boring without you. Please don't go anywhere any time soon. I feel there are a lot of positive things to say about your work.

You're creative.

You are the Swiss Army Knife of photographic methods. I often find myself appreciating your methodology even when I'm not that enamored with your results.

You are the "pimp of props". I spent some time last week with a guy who restores 1940's fire trucks. He has three vehicles in progress and his own private junk yard. You seem to have more junk than he does.

You know and appear to have a great working relationship with a ton of modeling talent.

You drive a narrative with your work. It's not just about showcasing an attractive model, it's about what she's doing and the set around her. I don't always understand what you're trying to convey, but your images are always more than a pretty naked woman posed against a paper backdrop. You give the viewers something to scratch their heads about.

You actually talk about the photographic aspects of your sets. How do people miss this! You talk about lighting, film, lenses, and sometimes what the models had for lunch. If they don't like your results at least you have given them a laundry list of things not to try.

Lastly, you embrace the eroticism of figure photography. I think there are many people that peruse this section of the forum because it's a socially acceptable way for them to appreciate the human form. If someone saw this forum in their search history, it's not porn. It's photography; it's art. Since photography is their hobby, enjoying naked women in this context is OK. Your work probably upsets some because you're sexing up their clubhouse. How dare you make them feel guilty about anything they might see here. What a joke. Since photography was invented, men have been getting pretty women to strip naked for their cameras under the pretense of art. Before that, artists were having women stand naked for hours so they could be painted. The only difference is it's a hell of lot easier to click the shutter than paint a canvas and more of us can justify the experience.

Two women kissing is not pornographic. There's geek and roman statuary that is considered art that make these images look tame. As someone previously mentioned, you're a known entity, people don't have to keep finding excuses to be offended with your work, they can avoid it. I don't comment on every post of yours, but I look at all of them.

I understand this perspective, but I think although Timmers' stuff is at the line, I don't think it crosses into the realm of "pornography" which the US Supreme Court has identified as "being without social value". I'd hate to think that the William Proxmeyer definition "I know it when I see it" is the battle flag of a new era of moral policing regulating what others may view and discuss. Sure, his missives can veer into peculiar existentialist planes, but largely because of his posts and reactions to them, this section is certainly the most interesting on UHH. That said, it seems so simple: if Timmers' posts bother you, don't open them but leave others alone to do so if we so choose.

Timmers, your comment, "During the late period of the Roman Empire in the Circus Maximus city prostitutes demonstrated there abilities to gang rape a donkey to death as part of the in between spectacle." This doesn't make sense.

How can prostitutes (female? I assume) gang rape a donkey (male? again I assume)?

Explain if you wish, but I suspect your explanation would likely be as inane as your "donkey rape" comment.

In. any case, Timmers, you are a waste of time.