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Sep 18, 2012 14:47:41   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Dogman wrote:
NOT correct. It is the total PIXEL size that determines resolution for a printer or publication. The file you want to send may be too large to send directly thru email, but you can try and make sure you tell your email program NOT to resize it for sending!!

The dpi rating is simply how a PRINTER converts a picture size to see how large it will print. If you divide the total pixel dimensions for height and width by the size you want the final print you will see the actual dpi that it can be printed at.
NOT correct. It is the total PIXEL size that dete... (show quote)



Okay, I understand what you and Captain are saying ( I think) but what was wrong with deryk's explanation?

Dogman[/quote]

His comment, "Any digital image downloaded from your camera will be transformed, typically, to a 72dpi version (which seems adequate resolution when viewed on a computer screen) in order to store a smaller digital version which will transmit quickly by email," is simply not true. A camera knows not any PPI - it only knows X by Y pixels.

I mean really, where do people come up with SO much mis-information?

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Sep 18, 2012 14:57:04   #
Jer Loc: Mesa, Arizona
 
Listen to the Captain.

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Sep 18, 2012 14:58:37   #
Dogman Loc: Michigan
 
Okay, I understand what you and Captain are saying ( I think) but what was wrong with deryk's explanation?

Dogman[/quote]

His comment, "Any digital image downloaded from your camera will be transformed, typically, to a 72dpi version (which seems adequate resolution when viewed on a computer screen) in order to store a smaller digital version which will transmit quickly by email," is simply not true. A camera knows not any PPI - it only knows X by Y pixels.

I mean really, where do people come up with SO much mis-information?[/quote]

Okay, when I open a file in PS and wish to change the file size the resolution seems to default to 72 ppi. If for instance I change that to 300 the file's physical size changes dramatically. As suggested should I change the X-Y first then the ppi?

Dogman

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Sep 18, 2012 14:58:45   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
CaptainC wrote:


I mean really, where do people come up with SO much mis-information?



...the internet.

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Sep 18, 2012 15:51:40   #
Armadillo Loc: Ventura, CA
 
CaptainC wrote:
Armadillo wrote:
The key element here is to provide the customer what he wants. Period.

The importance of the 72dpi resolution comes in when you save an image for the Web, or inline attachment in e-mail. Because computer Operating Systems and their related software will render an image to the lowest resolution set in the systems settings; images may appear larger, or smaller than expected.


Michael G


NO sir. ALL that matters is pixel dimension. 72PPI (Not DPI) has absolutely zero to do with how a file will display on any monitor. The new Apple Retina display is about 160 or so PPI, so suggesting that 72PPI is somehow related to monitor resolution is just not accurate.

Just try it, email yourself the same image at identical pixel dimensions - say 400x600. Save one at 72PPI and one at 300PPI. Or 87 PPI and 356 PPI - whatever. Then email them to yourself and see if they are different. They will be identical - as long as the pixel dimensions are the same.
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Hello Cliff,

I will have to agree and disagree with you on these issues.

In all the years I have been photographing for web site publishing the 72 dpi was the national standard because it produced the smallest file size (in bits) than any other resolution. It has the ability to render the image in a very usable state on systems using screen resolutions of 72dpi (Apple Mac), 96dpi (Windows 3.5 - XP Pro, and what ever Linux uses, and the modern Smart Phones.

The 72dpi is a specification for "Printing" an object. When we post an image in a web site, or in-line e-mail message we are directing the receiving instrument to "Print" the object. When we attach an image file, externally to the message body, we are not directing a "printing" command, we are allowing the visual display to make the best guess as to what we intended. This is where, in some e-mail clients, we can see the attached image file under the message body greatly magnified, maybe a file saved at 300ppi and print size of 5x7in, display at 10x14 inches across the monitor screen.

Michael G

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Sep 18, 2012 19:06:00   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
CaptainC wrote:
Dogman wrote:
NOT correct. It is the total PIXEL size that determines resolution for a printer or publication. The file you want to send may be too large to send directly thru email, but you can try and make sure you tell your email program NOT to resize it for sending!!

The dpi rating is simply how a PRINTER converts a picture size to see how large it will print. If you divide the total pixel dimensions for height and width by the size you want the final print you will see the actual dpi that it can be printed at.
NOT correct. It is the total PIXEL size that dete... (show quote)



Okay, I understand what you and Captain are saying ( I think) but what was wrong with deryk's explanation?

Dogman
quote=Dogman NOT correct. It is the total PIXEL ... (show quote)


His comment, "Any digital image downloaded from your camera will be transformed, typically, to a 72dpi version (which seems adequate resolution when viewed on a computer screen) in order to store a smaller digital version which will transmit quickly by email," is simply not true. A camera knows not any PPI - it only knows X by Y pixels.

I mean really, where do people come up with SO much mis-information?[/quote]

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Sep 18, 2012 19:07:07   #
NSWalter Loc: The West
 
Aagaard wrote:
RacerDan wrote:
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a canon 60D at the largest jpg setting I have which gets me a 51.3M file in PSE8 is a 72 x 48 inch picture at 72 PPI. I resize to 300 PPI at 12 x 8 inch picture, then crop to 8 x 10 to print. Seems to look good to me even at 11 x 17 inches, but most of my printing is at 4 x 6.

This works for me but I have no idea what I'm doing. Can some one direct me to youtube or something that explains all of this in a manner that can be understood by the simple minded?

Thank you for any help given.
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a ca... (show quote)





Try this: http://www.pcqc.org/presentation/
quote=RacerDan I for one am still totally confuss... (show quote)


Interesting presentation but not quite the concise answer most people need.

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Sep 18, 2012 19:10:01   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
WOW!! The way some of this is going, all I can think of is.......

Bill Engvall....... Here's You Sign!!!

With that, I am OUTTA here!!

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Sep 18, 2012 19:40:22   #
NSWalter Loc: The West
 
Wahawk wrote:
WOW!! The way some of this is going, all I can think of is.......

Bill Engvall....... Here's You Sign!!!

With that, I am OUTTA here!!


I started a more accurate dissertation on DPI, PPI, display resolution, etc etc - then I thought like - too many "sous chefs" already contributing. And I give up like Wahawk.

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Sep 18, 2012 21:46:38   #
Kaerynn
 
Your original .jpeg,.png or other photo format can be up to 1 M pixels and this is for print work of any kind. Newspapers use about 200 dpi and 72 is standard for .gifs and jpgs on the net. Ask the person what size he wants it printed at ( A poster needs more than a sheet.) or ask him what resolution he needs.

Take the ORIGINAL pic into photoshop, find out what it is and then use image size, or view as well as other tools there to "save as" a .jpeg in the dpi he needs. It will take much longer to up and download but it is not hard.

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Sep 18, 2012 22:16:52   #
BUDDY36 Loc: Tennessee
 
Yeah what the Captain said! :thumbup:
Buddy 36

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Sep 18, 2012 23:14:55   #
budjordan1 Loc: Pittsburgh, Florida
 
IBE wrote:
I emailed a photo to a potential publication. I was asked to send a high resolution version. How do I do this?


You might want to checkout dropbox. Just drop your pictures in dropbox and they can pick them up.

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Sep 19, 2012 08:42:43   #
RacerDan Loc: Virden Illinois
 
jackm1943 wrote:
RacerDan wrote:
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a canon 60D at the largest jpg setting I have which gets me a 51.3M file in PSE8 is a 72 x 48 inch picture at 72 PPI. I resize to 300 PPI at 12 x 8 inch picture, then crop to 8 x 10 to print. Seems to look good to me even at 11 x 17 inches, but most of my printing is at 4 x 6.

This works for me but I have no idea what I'm doing. Can some one direct me to youtube or something that explains all of this in a manner that can be understood by the simple minded?

Thank you for any help given.
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a ca... (show quote)


Regarding the resizing to an 8x10 for printing, what you are currently doing makes sense, EXCEPT that you should set the ppi level only after the final crop. It it's still over 300 ppi, then resample at 300. It it's under 300 ppi, then leave it alone. Don't set the ppi level during an interim cropping, only after the final crop.

Regarding the size of your files, I also own a 60D (and love it) but the largest jpeg would be nowhere near 50 MB. A 16 bit RGB TIFF prepared from a CR2 RAW file will be about that size, but not a jpeg unless there are some other PP steps taken that were not mentioned.
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Hey, thank you for the reply, this is an area I need to learn a bunch more about. Looked into it a bit more the jpg file is only 7.72 MB

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Sep 19, 2012 08:45:31   #
RacerDan Loc: Virden Illinois
 
Aagaard wrote:
RacerDan wrote:
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a canon 60D at the largest jpg setting I have which gets me a 51.3M file in PSE8 is a 72 x 48 inch picture at 72 PPI. I resize to 300 PPI at 12 x 8 inch picture, then crop to 8 x 10 to print. Seems to look good to me even at 11 x 17 inches, but most of my printing is at 4 x 6.

This works for me but I have no idea what I'm doing. Can some one direct me to youtube or something that explains all of this in a manner that can be understood by the simple minded?

Thank you for any help given.
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a ca... (show quote)



Try this: http://www.pcqc.org/presentation/
quote=RacerDan I for one am still totally confuss... (show quote)


Thank you for the come back, going to spend some time on that site and maybe I'll learn something

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Sep 19, 2012 16:02:46   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
RacerDan wrote:
jackm1943 wrote:
RacerDan wrote:
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a canon 60D at the largest jpg setting I have which gets me a 51.3M file in PSE8 is a 72 x 48 inch picture at 72 PPI. I resize to 300 PPI at 12 x 8 inch picture, then crop to 8 x 10 to print. Seems to look good to me even at 11 x 17 inches, but most of my printing is at 4 x 6.

This works for me but I have no idea what I'm doing. Can some one direct me to youtube or something that explains all of this in a manner that can be understood by the simple minded?

Thank you for any help given.
I for one am still totally confussed. I shoot a ca... (show quote)


Regarding the resizing to an 8x10 for printing, what you are currently doing makes sense, EXCEPT that you should set the ppi level only after the final crop. It it's still over 300 ppi, then resample at 300. It it's under 300 ppi, then leave it alone. Don't set the ppi level during an interim cropping, only after the final crop.

Regarding the size of your files, I also own a 60D (and love it) but the largest jpeg would be nowhere near 50 MB. A 16 bit RGB TIFF prepared from a CR2 RAW file will be about that size, but not a jpeg unless there are some other PP steps taken that were not mentioned.
quote=RacerDan I for one am still totally confuss... (show quote)


Hey, thank you for the reply, this is an area I need to learn a bunch more about. Looked into it a bit more the jpg file is only 7.72 MB
quote=jackm1943 quote=RacerDan I for one am stil... (show quote)


7.7 mb sounds more like it for a JPEG file. With the 60D, if you start with a TIFF made from an uncropped RAW file, you can crop the ends off to 11x14 and end up with 314 ppi. I do this routinely, then resample to 300 ppi once I am satisfied with the crop. For what it's worth, I prefer to crop in Photoshop after saving as a TIFF rather than in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR).

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