Bittmoore Loc: SE Wisconsin

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Bittmoore Loc: SE Wisconsin

So by Day 129 you should already have some idea on whether someone's taste is similar enough like yours to know whether or not you'll like their style and not keep looking at things you consider pornographic.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Mr. Davidson, this appears to be the norm in this slice of Hog Heaven. While it is true that many seem to want to assert their 'right' to present their opinion too often it turns out the 'opinion' is much like a sound bite, 'full of fury, signifying nothing' (thank you Mr. Shakespeare). I admit that I will often not respond to the posted opinion(s), but what is the point when there is little effort made to make a point other than the personal observation with no contextual reference?

dat2ra Loc: Sacramento

Yes, it''s sexual, but I don't see "porn" here although clearly some are offended by same- sex scenes. If Timmers removed either woman be fore shooting, I doubt there would be an objection.

As an aside (back to photography) I think the bottom girl could use a bit more light: a reflector or diffused flash would add to the drama of the scene......unless it was "intentionally under-lit" for some reason.

InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA

Timmers, this section of the forum would be so boring without you. Please don't go anywhere any time soon. I feel there are a lot of positive things to say about your work.

You're creative.

You are the Swiss Army Knife of photographic methods. I often find myself appreciating your methodology even when I'm not that enamored with your results.

You are the "pimp of props". I spent some time last week with a guy who restores 1940's fire trucks. He has three vehicles in progress and his own private junk yard. You seem to have more junk than he does.

You know and appear to have a great working relationship with a ton of modeling talent.

You drive a narrative with your work. It's not just about showcasing an attractive model, it's about what she's doing and the set around her. I don't always understand what you're trying to convey, but your images are always more than a pretty naked woman posed against a paper backdrop. You give the viewers something to scratch their heads about.

You actually talk about the photographic aspects of your sets. How do people miss this! You talk about lighting, film, lenses, and sometimes what the models had for lunch. If they don't like your results at least you have given them a laundry list of things not to try.

Lastly, you embrace the eroticism of figure photography. I think there are many people that peruse this section of the forum because it's a socially acceptable way for them to appreciate the human form. If someone saw this forum in their search history, it's not porn. It's photography; it's art. Since photography is their hobby, enjoying naked women in this context is OK. Your work probably upsets some because you're sexing up their clubhouse. How dare you make them feel guilty about anything they might see here. What a joke. Since photography was invented, men have been getting pretty women to strip naked for their cameras under the pretense of art. Before that, artists were having women stand naked for hours so they could be painted. The only difference is it's a hell of lot easier to click the shutter than paint a canvas and more of us can justify the experience.

Two women kissing is not pornographic. There's geek and roman statuary that is considered art that make these images look tame. As someone previously mentioned, you're a known entity, people don't have to keep finding excuses to be offended with your work, they can avoid it. I don't comment on every post of yours, but I look at all of them.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Thank you so much for what is written here. The truly big departure from 'girls with out clothes' type images that I tend to do stems from a long history of working closely with women. The women I like to work with LIKE, in fact DESIRE to be in the nude viewed by men, or some times just a single voyeur. This being without clothing, the being ogled by the male gaze just plain turns them on. They get erotically hyped by the experience.

A friend of mine who does figure work and is into the erotic alternative life style had just worked with a woman I was working with was not overtly physical with her, he did nothing inappropriate with or too her, but she had just worked with him and was telling me about her last shoot and I drew out if her that female judgment call that he was 'creepy'. This is the death saying from these women. Me, I'm not creepy in these women's minds, I'm the perfectly safe male, but I get away with all manner of behavior that they wished they could. Women talk to each other, they all think I'm just a 'fun' male, never creepy. But I do make positive erotic comments when working with the models, like "You know you have great boobs (learn the names women use for female body parts), but you know that, it's just I love the shape of your ass the way it connects to the area of your back and lower rib cage! Especially the perfect two dimples in the middle of your back, it makes your tushie look adorable!" This type of detail is what never gets said nor observed as a statement.

Then there is the introduction of the erotic with fetish. One model said to me as we got started one time that she didn't have nice boobs. I looked at her with a stunned expression and followed with, "You've got puffies! Are you crazy? Most men go nuts over puffies! Men who are into nipples rarely get to see puffies on a woman." I take the small mirror and show her boobs, then point at her breast area and the puffed up area usually mostly the areolas that are puffed out and look like tiny balloons resting on the front of the breasts. "You need to tug and tease the fine nipples on the tips of your puffies, make them show popping out from the main boob. That makes them really stand out!" Your so lucky that you were born with puffies, Do your sisters or Mom have puffies. No one really knows why puffies come out but they are so HOT! Drives men crazy when they see them!" After that this woman will begin to notice in a positive way this attribute of her body. This is the deep aspect of body love and every woman understands this deeply. It is also what gets them excited about being nude in front of others, especially males and the male gaze!

So how does one build a 'good', but naughty reputation? By deferring actions is one of the best methods I have found. I remember one event where I was working with about a dozen models doing a body latex thing. The models needed to be covered with removable body latex. So I got three of the models and showed one what and how to apply the latex to the other two, but on there lower legs and arms, no other place. The women where watching me vary closely. They where judging and measuring what I was doing. So when one said she wanted to cover her girl sex organs, I had to smile and called them her yoni (yoni is the Indian word meaning all, the totality, in and out side of the body. I got one of the other women to take surgical tape and cover all over and around her genital area. Then some sticky tape that had a surface so the latex could adhere but seal off the opening.

Of course then ALL the women wanted this done (there is a lot of 'monkey see, monkey do' with models!) to them. Ritual and ceremony is critical to directing the sensation of the erotic experience for women. It is quite honestly foreplay. I had a wife come to the school and sign her husband up for figure photography, and also came and thanked me for holding the classes. Of course I thanked her, but I took it further suggesting that she have him schedule some studio time where she and her husband could do some sexy lingerie shoots. Yes, she had a blast! Their second session as he was setting up the lights I helped her pick out some out fits and the naughty stripper shoes to wear. She had seen the shoes but did not know where to get them.

So a few weeks later Holly (stripping at the time) showed up telling me about the yearly clearance that happened only once a year for two days. What a gold mine! I bough all sorts of different sizes, colors and styles (it's what got me started on the shoe collection for the studio).

So the next week I had a big cardboard box wrapped up for Ken to take home with instructions that only his wife was to unwrap the brown paper covered box. I was still at the studio getting ready to go home at 10:30 when the phone range, crude expletives from a woman's voice, it was her and...

I explained that what had happened but if she didn't want her new slutty shoes, well just send them back and I'll put them in with the other naught shoes. "You have more!"

"Honey they were $5 a pair, I bought over $100 worth, but not to worry, tonight the models were all in, not just the usual five for the nude class, just ask hubby. There were about a dozen women in (I even called the girl friend and the sexy girl from my schools office) because girls love naughty fun UN-dress up, and they put on shoes and boots and took the naughty shoes home. Several modeled their new naughty foot wear for the boys, just ask hubby, he had a blast, now I'm going home and you model your new slutty shoes for him."

The set from last night in the new studio set, Kat, (pronounced Cat) (it was suppose to start at 1:00, Kat is always late, but she always gets there sooner but mostly later. Yes, she took home all sorts of stuff, several shoes and a brand new pair of gold boots that she went nuts over. The white bloomers, "There so cute! Can I have them?"

I don't put cash in the models hands, I give them things that they fall in love with while shooting or just 'crow' and want. I get a big huge often a sweet kiss on the cheek and a big 'Thank You!'. The place is stuffed to overflowing with things, there the part of life that is transient, material things and I am just the custodian of all these things. It works great for me as an artist.

I hope this can be seen, there is a bluish glow hovering on the black background paper surrounding the large mirror. It is the reflection from the cyan blue gel behind the diffusion plastic wall. This is what I hope shows because it is in the original image. To me this is extremely important part of a color image. You may want to note, 9 foot background paper has a matt finish on one side (inside surface) and a shiny finish on the opposite side of the paper. It appears weird but this is an aspect to the paper making process, the matt side is created when the paper is 'bladed' to remove excess moisture, while the shiny side is not bladed but allowed to dry with out blading the excess moisture. Yea, I know, too much knowledge but I did take paper making as part of learning print making in my MFA education, so I notice these things and make decisions accordingly.

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19photo30 Loc: Olympia, WA

Two observations: You have obviously been educated far beyond your intelligence. From the way you portray your models, you apparently hate women. Why else would you show good-looking women in such an unattractive way. Do you really think sane people like being shown pretty girls in chains, being beaten, as queers? This supposed to be an erotic section, not a twisted view from a twisted mind. In spite of your effusive defense, it's still pornography.

travelwp Loc: New Jersey

I don't shoot nudes, so I thank you for the information on your shoots. I'm learning, keep teaching.

InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA

First, yes, many sane people do enjoy those elements. BTW, this isn't necessarily an erotic section, it's a figure photography section. I certainly can't change your mind about what you find offensive, but you obviously have very conservative views. For the sake of your blood pressure, just don't look at Timmer's posts anymore.

I can tell you as the father of a retired model who did both photo and runway work and the husband of a part-time figure model, female models don't tolerate bad behavior from a photographer or another model. When you're talking specifically about this type of content, if you tick a model off or push her to do something she doesn't want to, you won't be able to get her or any of her friends in front of your lens again. The fact that this photographer has evolved long working relationships with these women speaks volumes.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

Yes, I hate women and they know it, but only in your brain. Women like me and I like women, come to think of it, I like most men and almost all children. At least I get along with most.

You I would probably have issues, what's with this antique defamation tone "queers"? You are not a vary nice person and obviously have homophobic issues. Go soak your head.

dat2ra Loc: Sacramento

I'm totally on board with InfiniteISO on this one. Timmers makes this section which would be pretty boring without his admittedly contraversial images and missives to which I would say: if you're not willing to contribute constructive commentary, get the he'll out.

19photo30 Loc: Olympia, WA

Since I'm given the choice of lapping up this filth and "get the hell out", I'm getting the hell out. It's still PORNOGRAPHY! If it's your thing, enjoy!


dat2ra: You might want want to learn how to type "hell".

dat2ra Loc: Sacramento

Thanks, 19. I do know how to spell "hell" btw; auto correct on my phone just doesn't like it. Anyway, constructive comments are always appreciated.

Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.

He lies, he keeps returning with his observations and commentary. Just ignore the troll, it is the best thing to do.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

The best thing for you to do is be a bit more selective in what you post on this forum. I'm sure you have plenty of photos to choose from, and plenty of other sites where you can post what is not appreciated as much on UHH. Then everyone could be happy.