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Dec 9, 2019 06:37:50   #
CO
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
Always, always go for reality. If you are pleasing a client, do so; but reality is always best. I cannot trust most of the pictures shown here because of so much "cooking". If you say it is hand held @ 600mmm, it should be handheld @ 600mm; sooc. NO POST PROCESSING, NONE! I encourage you to look at old B/W movies. Look at what they did and consider the equipment they had to use.


The human eye can see a broader range of light than any camera. I would say what the photographer saw when at the scene is reality. The SOOC shots from the camera are not reality because of its limited dynamic range. Some cooking, like HDR, can bring it closer to what the person saw at the scene.

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Dec 9, 2019 06:47:15   #
Graham Smith Loc: Cambridgeshire UK
 
papaluv4gd wrote:
when I view some of the posts that are put up on the hog, many of them are very nice,some are outstanding, and some are just too over prossessed.

Now this is just my humble opinion.

Some of the posts are just too evenly lit,every shadow detail is available, trees and mountains are all just picture post card perfect. Now I have been around enough to know that scenic opportunities are rarely ,if ever perfectly illuminated. So...my thought is, am I the only one who is satisfied with capturing a given scene SOOC ?

I often shoot my scenics with both eyes open with the thought of capturing in camera exactly what is before me, or as close as I can get it given the broad spectrum of light falling on a given vista.

I'm afraid that there is so much PP of everything ,that what we all are exposed to now are all just personal renditions of what is or was actually there. Some post are so perfectly PP'd, that they take on the apperance of a lithograph rather than a photograph.

Example: taking a picture of the sun will always render the rest of the scene whofully under exposed, yet I see shots with the sun as evenly lit as the surrounding landscape. Yes, there are times when it is possible to shoot a sun scene and have some forground or backround lit. But not evenly. I have tried. something has to give.

I feel like a lone wolf trying to capture what I see as it is, while many are manipulating their shots to render them more perfect or "pleasing" to the eye.

With so much pp going on, it's very hard to know what is real anymore.

Just my observations and ramblings.
when I view some of the posts that are put up on t... (show quote)


There are enough bad things happening in the world and to the Earth without worrying about how others process their pictures. Be happy with the way that you do it and let others be happy with the way they do it.

Graham

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Dec 9, 2019 06:49:54   #
DAN Phillips Loc: Graysville, GA
 
Amen!

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Dec 9, 2019 07:01:02   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
papaluv4gd wrote:
when I view some of the posts that are put up on the hog, many of them are very nice,some are outstanding, and some are just too over prossessed.

Now this is just my humble opinion.

Some of the posts are just too evenly lit,every shadow detail is available, trees and mountains are all just picture post card perfect. Now I have been around enough to know that scenic opportunities are rarely ,if ever perfectly illuminated. So...my thought is, am I the only one who is satisfied with capturing a given scene SOOC ?

I often shoot my scenics with both eyes open with the thought of capturing in camera exactly what is before me, or as close as I can get it given the broad spectrum of light falling on a given vista.

I'm afraid that there is so much PP of everything ,that what we all are exposed to now are all just personal renditions of what is or was actually there. Some post are so perfectly PP'd, that they take on the apperance of a lithograph rather than a photograph.

Example: taking a picture of the sun will always render the rest of the scene whofully under exposed, yet I see shots with the sun as evenly lit as the surrounding landscape. Yes, there are times when it is possible to shoot a sun scene and have some forground or backround lit. But not evenly. I have tried. something has to give.

I feel like a lone wolf trying to capture what I see as it is, while many are manipulating their shots to render them more perfect or "pleasing" to the eye.

With so much pp going on, it's very hard to know what is real anymore.

Just my observations and ramblings.
when I view some of the posts that are put up on t... (show quote)


Well I have never seen a picture like that on here ( sun + surroundings).

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Dec 9, 2019 07:09:08   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If Ansel Adams was the photographer worthy of that name, he'd do a better job Straight Out Of Camera.

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Dec 9, 2019 07:13:03   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
You have presented to basis of an argument I have with myself over which is better - try to create an image as the eye sees - that is, the focal point in in focus, the rest of the scene is not. Or, make the whole capture sharp and in focus as others who look at it may find some area than then my focal point to be of most interest. Boiled down - do I please myself or try to be pleasing to others?

As a viewer of other's images I scan the entire expanse, thus make the whole image sharp and in focus as their focal point may not be of interest to me as, my focal point may not be of interest to others, but???

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Dec 9, 2019 07:38:54   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Rongnongno wrote:
What ever other do or do not do, right or wrong is none of your concern.

Your opinion is yours and yours alone. Sorry but there have been countless discussion as to what SOOC means. You are happy with it? So be it.

Just do not criticize what you do not appreciate for whatever reason. If you do, you will always be wrong.


AMEN!!! And I'm willing to bet this will once again crank out umpteenth pages of opinions to prove nothing.

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Dec 9, 2019 07:54:16   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 
papaluv4gd wrote:
when I view some of the posts that are put up on the hog, many of them are very nice,some are outstanding, and some are just too over prossessed.

Now this is just my humble opinion.

Some of the posts are just too evenly lit,every shadow detail is available, trees and mountains are all just picture post card perfect. Now I have been around enough to know that scenic opportunities are rarely ,if ever perfectly illuminated. So...my thought is, am I the only one who is satisfied with capturing a given scene SOOC ?

I often shoot my scenics with both eyes open with the thought of capturing in camera exactly what is before me, or as close as I can get it given the broad spectrum of light falling on a given vista.

I'm afraid that there is so much PP of everything ,that what we all are exposed to now are all just personal renditions of what is or was actually there. Some post are so perfectly PP'd, that they take on the apperance of a lithograph rather than a photograph.

Example: taking a picture of the sun will always render the rest of the scene whofully under exposed, yet I see shots with the sun as evenly lit as the surrounding landscape. Yes, there are times when it is possible to shoot a sun scene and have some forground or backround lit. But not evenly. I have tried. something has to give.

I feel like a lone wolf trying to capture what I see as it is, while many are manipulating their shots to render them more perfect or "pleasing" to the eye.

With so much pp going on, it's very hard to know what is real anymore.

Just my observations and ramblings.
when I view some of the posts that are put up on t... (show quote)


Show me a photographer who does no post processing and I'll show you a photographer standing in the unemployment line.

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Dec 9, 2019 07:55:34   #
mflowe Loc: Port Deposit, MD
 
CO wrote:
The human eye can see a broader range of light than any camera. I would say what the photographer saw when at the scene is reality. The SOOC shots from the camera are not reality because of its limited dynamic range. Some cooking, like HDR, can bring it closer to what the person saw at the scene.



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Dec 9, 2019 07:57:54   #
markie1425 Loc: Bryn Mawr, PA
 
papaluv4gd wrote:
Photography is an art form like any other. Art is individualistic, therefore,there is no right or wrong.
There are just observers choosing what apeals to us to enjoy. Things we don't enjoy,we just move beyond them. Doesn't make them wrong.


Amen. Thank you for posting.

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Dec 9, 2019 07:58:38   #
markie1425 Loc: Bryn Mawr, PA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
What ever other do or do not do, right or wrong is none of your concern.

Your opinion is yours and yours alone. Sorry but there have been countless discussion as to what SOOC means. You are happy with it? So be it.

Just do not criticize what you do not appreciate for whatever reason. If you do, you will always be wrong.


Amen. Thank you for posting.

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Dec 9, 2019 08:01:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The artist spends years learning to create images no one else could create in a life-time.

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Dec 9, 2019 08:07:06   #
CWGordon
 
Clearly, many strongly held opinions here. I never criticize the work of another based on individual values and opinions. I happen to be more on the realist side of the things, but defend the rights of others to like things other than what I might like. My only strong opinion regarding todays’ conversation is that one should be able to express their preferences in objective terms, not emotional, political, or caustic language and that those responding should look at a photographic opinion in a similar manner.

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Dec 9, 2019 08:14:02   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Even Ansel Adams manipulated his images. The very fact that we have to convert from a raw file is a manipulation. I do agree that some have a heavy hand, but that’s their image to do with as they please.

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Dec 9, 2019 08:16:36   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
A perfect topic for chit-chat with the fellas down at the local mercantile, where the woodstove is a-blazin' while a nor'easter howls outside. Ayuh. Now pass the spittoon, and let's move on to world peace 🙄

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