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Dec 3, 2019 13:05:59   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Just a thought, why not use more smaller drives ,external drives can also fail I am of the opinion that I would rather loose 2TB of data instead of 4 TB, same reason I use 64Gb SD cards instead of 128s . EVERTHING WILL FAIL AT SOME POINT why not minamise the potential loss . I have had no problems with the Passport drives.


Or better, at the current cost, get two 4T or 5T drives.

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Dec 3, 2019 13:14:49   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
photoman43 wrote:
Any external or internal hard drive can fail at a moments notice and without warning. My practice is not to allow any drive to get more than 80% full as less space available means the drive has to work harder.

I usually buy 4 TB drives over 2 TB drives (Western Digital Passport or Seagate or what is on sale) just to make sure I have enough room.

I tripple backup everything I shoot.


I congratulate you on having 3 copies of your data (and hopefully one of those copies off-site for disaster recovery).

As far as the never exceeding 80% because the drive has to “work harder”, I don’t know that I’d worry about that. Same with the Respondent that never exceeds 50% because the assumption is that the drive writes from the outside tracks (which are the fastest) in. It all depends on the particular file system and how fragmented the disk is. For example, some file systems write to the closest block, regardless of location to minimize head seek time. And if the disk is badly fragmented, then there will be theoretically more head seeks, BUT they may be shorter seeks. That also assumes that the head actuator is the failure point. Long story short, if you keep your HD defraged (which also helps with speed), it probably doesn’t matter how full you get it, but if you’re comfortable with that, then nothing wrong with it. Btw, none of this applies to SSDs, which are random access devices and don't need to be defragmented.

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Dec 3, 2019 13:30:22   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Just a thought, why not use more smaller drives ,external drives can also fail I am of the opinion that I would rather loose 2TB of data instead of 4 TB, same reason I use 64Gb SD cards instead of 128s . EVERTHING WILL FAIL AT SOME POINT why not minamise the potential loss . I have had no problems with the Passport drives.


I have had students and others who turn to me when something goes wrong have failures with the cheap drives - mostly nicely packaged WD Green or cheap Seagate drives. When it comes to data security, nothing beats drives with 5 yr warranties. I fill these up fairly regularly, and rotate them out every 4-5 yrs. I have yet to suffer a drive failure. Many of the cheap junk seems to fail either just before or just after the warranty period. It's like playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter with 4 chambers loaded - just not with the risk just to save a couple of $$. Besides, the datacenter or enterprise drives are also generally faster.

If you are on a Mac, you don't have to defrag the drive, since OSX does that automatically. Windows 7 and later gives you the option to schedule a defrag. I periodically check my drives just to make sure they are not in need of defragging, and every time I check Windows reports 0% fragmented.

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Dec 3, 2019 14:37:17   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
NormanTheGr8 wrote:
Just a thought, why not use more smaller drives ,external drives can also fail I am of the opinion that I would rather loose 2TB of data instead of 4 TB, same reason I use 64Gb SD cards instead of 128s . EVERTHING WILL FAIL AT SOME POINT why not minamise the potential loss . I have had no problems with the Passport drives.


All drives may fail at some point, but there is failure data that shows that some drives will last longer than others - HGST, Samsung and WD Re, Black and higher will outlast the cheap stuff. For a little perspective, I've been in this game since 1983, when I bought my first 10 MB - not a typo - from 47th St Photo - and paid $900, a total bargain in those days. This drive had a 180 day warranty and it failed before the end of the warranty period, and it was replaced with a 20 MB drive, because no one had the 10 MB drives anymore. I've build over 3,000 computers and installed at least 3x that many drives in computers - so while I am happy that you've been fortunate to have had good luck with your passport drives, I could build a small island with MyBook, Passport and other consumer-packaged junk drives that I have replaced after failure. So I do agree with you - everything fails at some point. But you can hedge your bets by getting quality stuff.

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Dec 4, 2019 03:03:02   #
TonyBrown
 
I have a Toshiba and a WD hard drives. The Toshiba is over a year old and the WD Osvaldo fairly new. So far the Toshiba has been fine(fingers crossed). However, I do have one question. Is it better to shit the hard drive down after each use or keep it running. I know that external drives are prone to failure and it would be helpful to know if there is any increased risk of failure with continually shutting down or keeping the drive connected to my computer.

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Dec 4, 2019 10:55:24   #
Baysitter11 Loc: Cincinnati
 
dsmeltz wrote:
How about the LaCie 5TB Rugged Mini USB 3.0 External Hard Drive now on sale at B&H for $120 ($50 off). You could even travel with it.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1503998-REG/lacie_stjj5000400_5tb_rugged_mini_usb.html

I have 2 and they have been very dependable.

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Dec 4, 2019 14:25:00   #
TonyBrown
 
TonyBrown wrote:
I have Toshiba and WD hard drives. The Toshiba is over a year old and the WD Osvaldo fairly new. So far the Toshiba has been fine(fingers crossed). However, I do have one question. Is it better to shut the hard drive down after each use or keep it running. I know that external drives are prone to failure and it would be helpful to know if there is any increased risk of failure with continually shutting down or keeping the drive connected to my computer.

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Dec 4, 2019 16:28:12   #
RPaul3rd Loc: Arlington VA and Sarasota FL
 
This may be overkill but I have two 5T Seagate external backups. The first to backup my originals and then the second to backup the backup. My backup program is Acronis 2020. Set it and forget it. Easy and not that expensive compared to some. Just a thought.

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Dec 4, 2019 19:03:30   #
hcmcdole
 
Get two of the same thing and duplicate. Glad I did as one failed on a trip to Thailand so I had the duplicate. Bought a replacement when we got back home (same thing WD 4 TB) and had it copied within a few hours. I also have a network drive too so that is triple backup on important files and pictures. I try not to save photos to my C drive (SSD) as this is reserved for the OS, programs, and other files and makes backing it up to a small 1 TB drive super easy.

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