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Nov 26, 2019 17:14:09   #
lloydl2 Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
although I too like this scene it had little or no impact. I did a little experimentation tightly cropped off the left side (empty tracks) flipped it horizontally so the rear of the train is on the left side near the bottom and heading across and up to the right. Did some lightroom enhancements dodge and burn to make the lighting more interesting did some sharpening and added texture to the train and silos. I find that lighting plays a major role for me when it comes to impact. Flipping the image seems to make for better use of the leading lines at least to me.


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Nov 26, 2019 17:26:51   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
If you go with the heavy clouds, you should consider masking out the harsh shadows in the rest of the image. It feels to me that the image contrast, especially around the silo, and the clouds don't yet match.

As always, your posts are always thought provoking and i learns something new each time also.

Mike


Well I have lots of clouds. While I prefer the heavy clouds I am always willing to try something different. This one is a little more optimistic in mood and allows me to have both the dark clouds and the dark shadows but it still has impact. I'm not sure how to fix the difference in contrast without reducing it in the silos. This has been a fun exercise. Maybe not great photography but it is another step to get me there one day.


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Nov 26, 2019 17:32:15   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
lloydl2 wrote:
although I too like this scene it had little or no impact. I did a little experimentation tightly cropped off the left side (empty tracks) flipped it horizontally so the rear of the train is on the left side near the bottom and heading across and up to the right. Did some lightroom enhancements dodge and burn to make the lighting more interesting did some sharpening and added texture to the train and silos. I find that lighting plays a major role for me when it comes to impact. Flipping the image seems to make for better use of the leading lines at least to me.
although I too like this scene it had little or no... (show quote)


I did try flipping it but I liked the light coming from the left. Please feel free to post your version. I always enjoy seeing how others would do it and I always learn something. Thank you so much for commenting.

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Nov 26, 2019 17:42:06   #
lloydl2 Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
kenievans wrote:
I did try flipping it but I liked the light coming from the left. Please feel free to post your version. I always enjoy seeing how others would do it and I always learn something. Thank you so much for commenting.


I just edited my original post to include the image

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Nov 26, 2019 18:14:16   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
lloydl2 wrote:
I just edited my original post to include the image


That is very different from my view but I like it. It gives the silo a much more industrial look and it really pops against the color of the sky. I do see how with the way you processed it that flipping it works. The trains lead you into the scene. Thanks for posting!

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Nov 26, 2019 20:05:35   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
kenievans wrote:
Well I have lots of clouds. While I prefer the heavy clouds I am always willing to try something different. This one is a little more optimistic in mood and allows me to have both the dark clouds and the dark shadows but it still has impact. I'm not sure how to fix the difference in contrast without reducing it in the silos. This has been a fun exercise. Maybe not great photography but it is another step to get me there one day.


Bueno... This sky make it plausible for the sun to shine thru and still create the hard shadows on the silo. For me, this image is believable and still have drama in the sky.

With Luminar 4 making it so easy to replace sky's, you'll see a lot more composites that will miss on this very issue. If not done well, the eyes will see but the brain will revolt.

Mike

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Nov 27, 2019 03:30:51   #
jburlinson Loc: Austin, TX
 
kenievans wrote:

The important nuance for photographers is not whether our images have impact or not, but rather whether that impact, whatever its immediate force might be, is short-lived or long-lasting.


I was struck by the distinction between short-lived and long-lasting impact. I would suppose that images with the long-lasting kind of impact also had the short-lived type first, but maybe not.

Your original photo, for example, didn't strike me at first as having impact. Certainly not in the way that your subsequent edits have. However, there was something about the original that did intrigue me and it took me a while to figure out what it was. I ended up finding a "photo within the photo" in a part of the image that many of the preceding posters have cropped out.

So, I took the opportunity to explore the left side of the image a little more and came up with this.

So, I guess for me at least, your original did have impact.

Now, whether my version has impact or not, I really can't say.

(I hope it's OK for me to post this edit.)


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Nov 27, 2019 06:17:28   #
neilds37 Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
I'm a bit late coming in here, and have not read all three pages, but at this point I believe there are degrees of impact. The addition of storm clouds has added a large degree of interest and, in general, a good monochrome adds more drama than does color. There have a good number of contributions that have elicited a WOW from my lips, but at this moment I could not tell you what they were. So, how much impact did they have on me? On the other hand, one photo by Graham and one photo by billyspad immediately burned themselves into my brain so I can visualize them whenever I think of them now, several years later. That is what I consider impact.

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Nov 27, 2019 11:02:23   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
jburlinson wrote:
I was struck by the distinction between short-lived and long-lasting impact. I would suppose that images with the long-lasting kind of impact also had the short-lived type first, but maybe not.

Your original photo, for example, didn't strike me at first as having impact. Certainly not in the way that your subsequent edits have. However, there was something about the original that did intrigue me and it took me a while to figure out what it was. I ended up finding a "photo within the photo" in a part of the image that many of the preceding posters have cropped out.

So, I took the opportunity to explore the left side of the image a little more and came up with this.

So, I guess for me at least, your original did have impact.

Now, whether my version has impact or not, I really can't say.

(I hope it's OK for me to post this edit.)
I was struck by the distinction between short-live... (show quote)


It is always ok to post an edit of my photos.

I am so glad you looked at the left side because I agree it was a missed opportunity for me. It has great shadows, some fall color and rail road tracks always fascinate me. I think the silos do have a larger impact but the train tracks make a lovely little scene. Thanks for sharing!

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Nov 27, 2019 11:10:05   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
neilds37 wrote:
I'm a bit late coming in here, and have not read all three pages, but at this point I believe there are degrees of impact. The addition of storm clouds has added a large degree of interest and, in general, a good monochrome adds more drama than does color. There have a good number of contributions that have elicited a WOW from my lips, but at this moment I could not tell you what they were. So, how much impact did they have on me? On the other hand, one photo by Graham and one photo by billyspad immediately burned themselves into my brain so I can visualize them whenever I think of them now, several years later. That is what I consider impact.
I'm a bit late coming in here, and have not read a... (show quote)


I think for me emotional impact is the strongest and the one that stays with me. I immediately thought of Graham's post Sometimes Life is just too Much.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-565791-1.html#9624912

I still want to cry when I see it.

Thank you for reminding me about it. I just don't find that kind of impact in a landscape no matter how pretty. We would all do well to study Graham Smith's work.

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Nov 27, 2019 17:09:30   #
minniev Loc: MIssissippi
 
kenievans wrote:
One of the many things I am attempting to learn about photography is to make my images impactful. I recently read an article in Landscape Photography Magazine by Rafael Rojas. Here is the link to the article if you would like to read the whole piece.

https://landscapephotographymagazine.com/2015/impact-in-photography/

Here is an excerpt from the beginning of his article:

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According to the Oxford English Dictionary, something has impact when it produces a strong effect on someone or something. Based on that definition, we may assume that impactful photography would be something which produces a memorable experience in the viewer, transmitting a strong message and leaving traces on their mind and soul. The reality is, however, quite different – in fact, most of the impactful images we see nowadays draw our attention for a millisecond before being relegated to oblivion immediately after.

The important nuance for photographers is not whether our images have impact or not, but rather whether that impact, whatever its immediate force might be, is short-lived or long-lasting.
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I realize that based on our own unique life experiences we are all not effected in the say way by the same things and I think there are degrees to which we will be impacted as well. This is not a Pulitzer prize winning photo but I would like to know:

1. Do you find the photo to be of some impact or is it just a nicely composed image?
2. Which has more impact, the color or monochrome?
3. What makes it or does not make it impactful to you?

Thanks and I am looking forward to your responses.
One of the many things I am attempting to learn ab... (show quote)


This is a great topic, Keni, and I applaud you for being bold enough to put one of your own images out there for focusing the discussion.

I enjoy shooting these kinds of industrial sites, so I'm drawn to the image for the interesting (to me) subject matter. You have good colors to work with, complementary blues and oranges, so there's color appeal. You have made good technical and compositional choices. Somehow it doesn't quite reach the level of "impact". That may be in large part due to the harsh mid-day light, rendering the shadows contrasty but not terribly engaging. Graham's and Salvage Diver's monochrome conversions are both nice: they put that contrast to use in a more helpful way. I agree that they've found a more impactful presentation. But it seems a shame to sacrifice the color, both in their versions and in the ones you and others have done with different color toning.

Some of the most impactful industrial images I've ever run across are right here on the UHH site, in Russell Borud's series Prairie Sentinels. Here's one of his threads. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-462641-1.html. There are others. He often uses an artistic approach that many photographers would consider more digital art than photography, but you seem to enjoy working in both areas. I could not help myself, I had to play with your image with a quick experiment using my own photo-art rendering in kitchen-sink style. (PS I don't think my version has impact, but it was fun anyway!).


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Dec 2, 2019 13:33:44   #
kenievans Loc: Dallas
 
minniev wrote:
This is a great topic, Keni, and I applaud you for being bold enough to put one of your own images out there for focusing the discussion.

I enjoy shooting these kinds of industrial sites, so I'm drawn to the image for the interesting (to me) subject matter. You have good colors to work with, complementary blues and oranges, so there's color appeal. You have made good technical and compositional choices. Somehow it doesn't quite reach the level of "impact". That may be in large part due to the harsh mid-day light, rendering the shadows contrasty but not terribly engaging. Graham's and Salvage Diver's monochrome conversions are both nice: they put that contrast to use in a more helpful way. I agree that they've found a more impactful presentation. But it seems a shame to sacrifice the color, both in their versions and in the ones you and others have done with different color toning.

Some of the most impactful industrial images I've ever run across are right here on the UHH site, in Russell Borud's series Prairie Sentinels. Here's one of his threads. https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-462641-1.html. There are others. He often uses an artistic approach that many photographers would consider more digital art than photography, but you seem to enjoy working in both areas. I could not help myself, I had to play with your image with a quick experiment using my own photo-art rendering in kitchen-sink style. (PS I don't think my version has impact, but it was fun anyway!).
This is a great topic, Keni, and I applaud you for... (show quote)


Minnie thank you for commenting. I enjoyed your version and I appreciate the link to Russel's Praire Sentinels. I really like his work as well. I love the artistic approach in both of your styles. I also love experimenting with and exploring digital art. I have been focusing on more straight photography lately because I want to improve my camera skills. I am finding that being a better technical photographer helps me on the creative side as well. My composites are not as difficult and I can be more versatile with my compositions rather than trying to work around the flaws.

Over the course of this thread I have come to understand that impact, just like so many things in photography is subjective and is varying in degree. I think the impact in your image for me comes from the juxtaposition of the almost pastel colors and softness with the the gritty silos. That type of contrast adds impact. Thank you again for posting.

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