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Nov 20, 2019 14:12:26   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
jbk224 wrote:
The OP figured since his picture was being taken that there was an issue. He assumed that he was not permitted to take the picture. The guard never approached and told him this. The guard was doing his due diligence and probably following a protocol set up by his superiors. He was non-confrontational.
The OP's statement was one based on his inference from the situation; not on something that was said to him.


It seems we're both making inferences. Maybe the OP should provide more details.

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Nov 20, 2019 15:08:52   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
What inference am I making here? I'm only sticking to the statements made. Let's forget what the OP thought. The guard said nothing about taking pictures. Unless we hear differently from the OP; this is the fact.

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Nov 20, 2019 16:12:37   #
DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area
 
jbk224 wrote:
What inference am I making here? I'm only sticking to the statements made. Let's forget what the OP thought. The guard said nothing about taking pictures. Unless we hear differently from the OP; this is the fact.


This conversation has become pointless. I'm outta here.

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Nov 21, 2019 06:48:09   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
Scruples wrote:
A strange thing happened to me on my way to work. I was passing the United Nations International School. Outside for all to see was a large limestone sculpture which caught my attention. As I was about to photograph the sculpture, a security guard had taken a cell phone photograph of me with camera in hand. I walked over to the guard and introduced myself and showing my work identification card. I also retrieved my business card and gave it to him. I was unaware that photographs were not allowed. There were no warning signs or placards to that effect.
So, I would like to offer some advice to my fellow Hoggers.
1. Before taking a photograph, ask around if a photograph is permitted. Even though I was outside the property, sometimes property lines are irrelevant.
2. Common sense and decency should prevail in your work. Anything less, can very easily equate you with a "sleeve-ball."
3. Since my intent was for photographing a sculpture and not for a dubious or deceptive purpose, I freely offered to introduce myself. Since my intentions were honest, I felt unintimidated by offering my name and my photographic ID Card.
4. For a small expense, make some business cards with your name, address, telephone number and e-mail address. These cards do not have to be pricey and can be made at home on your computer.
5. Remember, every photograph can be a compliment or an insult to the subject in the photograph. Do your best to keep your photographs complimentary. Keep your insults to a minimum.

Please be aware that these suggestions are offered In My Humble Opinion.

Happy Shooting!
A strange thing happened to me on my way to work. ... (show quote)


Makes sense, well stated

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Nov 21, 2019 06:58:07   #
Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My attitude would have been somewhat different. If what you photographed is right there for the world to see and if you are on public property I would never asked for permission to photograph and I would have kept right on photographing. What is to hide if the object is right in the public domain. Now if it was children or something such as a woman breast feeding a baby then I would not take the photograph.


Dennis


Anything in public is "legal". But good judgment will save a world of pain...

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Nov 21, 2019 07:44:23   #
jbk224 Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Peterfiore wrote:
Anything in public is "legal". But good judgment will save a world of pain...


Well said.

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Nov 21, 2019 08:19:16   #
ngrea Loc: Sandy Spring, Maryland
 
Anyone taking photos of a potential terrorist target is likely to be watched closely. How is a security guard (and they have guards for a reason) to know if you were scoping out the school to plan an attack? Be glad someone was alert and taking care.

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Nov 21, 2019 09:15:41   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Scruples wrote:
A strange thing happened to me on my way to work. I was passing the United Nations International School. Outside for all to see was a large limestone sculpture which caught my attention. As I was about to photograph the sculpture, a security guard had taken a cell phone photograph of me with camera in hand. I walked over to the guard and introduced myself and showing my work identification card. I also retrieved my business card and gave it to him. I was unaware that photographs were not allowed. There were no warning signs or placards to that effect.
So, I would like to offer some advice to my fellow Hoggers.
1. Before taking a photograph, ask around if a photograph is permitted. Even though I was outside the property, sometimes property lines are irrelevant.
2. Common sense and decency should prevail in your work. Anything less, can very easily equate you with a "sleeve-ball."
3. Since my intent was for photographing a sculpture and not for a dubious or deceptive purpose, I freely offered to introduce myself. Since my intentions were honest, I felt unintimidated by offering my name and my photographic ID Card.
4. For a small expense, make some business cards with your name, address, telephone number and e-mail address. These cards do not have to be pricey and can be made at home on your computer.
5. Remember, every photograph can be a compliment or an insult to the subject in the photograph. Do your best to keep your photographs complimentary. Keep your insults to a minimum.

Please be aware that these suggestions are offered In My Humble Opinion.

Happy Shooting!
A strange thing happened to me on my way to work. ... (show quote)


If I am on a public road and the sculpture can be seen from the road, IT'S MINE BABY.

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Nov 21, 2019 10:14:35   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
DWU2 wrote:
It seems we're both making inferences. Maybe the OP should provide more details.



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Nov 21, 2019 10:19:37   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
Wondering what part if any, facial recognition programs might play a part in such instances, hmmmm. Cautionary tale. Quite disturbing actually but understandable as our society continues to "devolve."

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Nov 21, 2019 10:50:49   #
DanCulleton
 
I have been told by the security staff at Lincoln Center in NYC that photography is not allowed there although the the space is public and open. Does anyone know if this is true?

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Nov 21, 2019 11:14:11   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
dennis2146 wrote:
My attitude would have been somewhat different. If what you photographed is right there for the world to see and if you are on public property I would never asked for permission to photograph and I would have kept right on photographing. What is to hide if the object is right in the public domain. Now if it was children or something such as a woman breast feeding a baby then I would not take the photograph.

I think as citizens with rights we often try to give away those rights by always asking permission. If you ask permission that means you are giving he person a chance to say NO. In your case I might have asked the security guard why he took my photo as you have a right to ask that. Of course he also has a right to his photography too as you are in the public domain.

I have no problem with you introducing yourself and being friendly. I have done the very same thing and occasionally it has lead to discussions of photography, hunting, fishing and opportunities for me to further my interests. It is true what they say about honey working better than salt. In your case it might have worked out that the security guard may have told you about something else coming up that you might like to photograph.

Dennis
My attitude would have been somewhat different. I... (show quote)



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Nov 21, 2019 11:22:41   #
Peterfiore Loc: Where DR goes south
 
billnikon wrote:
If I am on a public road and the sculpture can be seen from the road, IT'S MINE BABY.


As my dad would in matters of judgment “that will look good on tombstone”.

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Nov 21, 2019 11:22:41   #
flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert
 
We can unwittingly do things that trigger a response. Me...the day the Ambassador and others were killed, I chose to photograph aircraft at the local airdrome.
Within 3/4 hour, I was talking pleasantly with a Police Officer about what I was doing. He told me that tensions were high, and I decided to cut my stay short. No hassle, no "I got rights". As said, courtesy and common sense are the best policy.

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Nov 21, 2019 11:28:35   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
sniper wrote:
We can unwittingly do things that trigger a response. Me...the day the Ambassador and others were killed, I chose to photograph aircraft at the local airdrome.
Within 3/4 hour, I was talking pleasantly with a Police Officer about what I was doing. He told me that tensions were high, and I decided to cut my stay short. No hassle, no "I got rights". As said, courtesy and common sense are the best policy.

Smart

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