Bridges
Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
Mac wrote:
The 20th anniversary is coming up
What! You mean we are still here! I thought life since 2000 was just smoke and we are no longer real!
It's ALWAYS something to fear, too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, ANYTHING to stir up the masses and divert attention from issues that affect us all. In the mid 70's we were told temperatures were dropping. Then we had global warming until temps stabilized and then the name was changed to climate change, despite none of the models that predicted a rise could predict what already happened. Now we are told 97% climate scientists say humans are the main factor in climate change, except there is no 97% who say it, just the same thing repeated over and over. If you want sustainable, you need to live it, the government isn't going to do it for you. Think fossil fuel is bad, simple don't use it, but don't expect me to do the same. Time for all to look in the mirror and see how your use of resources affect the environment and don't expect me to pay for your sins.
LOL. Send us your money and we'll take care of things for you :-) You need to buy some carbon credits to offset your carbon emissions!
jmccl
Loc: Western Shore of Utah Lake
It is nearly 28 years before Y2K. (Hint: What is the decimal value of 1K?)
Y2K, what a joke that was.
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
Actually, for some companies Y2K was a real problem but they didn't publicize their difficulties since they resulted from using programs they'd long since lost the source code or compilers for or never had to begin with because their software was COTS.
Already we're seeing in this century a repeat of the same mistake. How many times in the last 19 years have you seen forms (e.g. online forms) where they ask for the date and only accept a 2 digit year?
However, because of the climate crisis and humanity's inaction we're not likely to have to deal with the Y2K problem in 2100. Ever been to New Zealand and Alaska and seen how far back the glaciers (those remaining) have receded in the last 20 years? I have.
Ever been to the highlands of Hawaii Island and found that in the last 40 years half the endemic species of birds have gone extinct because avian malaria is climbing to higher elevations because mosquitos survive higher and higher up the mountains. I have.
Global heating is real and the evidence faces us every day. So just like Y2K we can ignore and pay the consequences.
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Her in the southern continental US the climate has been cooling since the 50s. Look at the number of growth days and latitudes for orange production. Just saying
CaptainBobBrown wrote:
Actually, for some companies Y2K was a real problem but they didn't publicize their difficulties since they resulted from using programs they'd long since lost the source code or compilers for or never had to begin with because their software was COTS.
Already we're seeing in this century a repeat of the same mistake. How many times in the last 19 years have you seen forms (e.g. online forms) where they ask for the date and only accept a 2 digit year?
However, because of the climate crisis and humanity's inaction we're not likely to have to deal with the Y2K problem in 2100. Ever been to New Zealand and Alaska and seen how far back the glaciers (those remaining) have receded in the last 20 years? I have.
Ever been to the highlands of Hawaii Island and found that in the last 40 years half the endemic species of birds have gone extinct because avian malaria is climbing to higher elevations because mosquitos survive higher and higher up the mountains. I have.
Global heating is real and the evidence faces us every day. So just like Y2K we can ignore and pay the consequences.
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I've heard the glaciers in Glacier N.P. have stopped retreating. And mosquitos are still a problem because of the ban on DDT.
Fotoartist wrote:
I've heard the glaciers in Glacier N.P. have stopped retreating. And mosquitos are still a problem because of the ban on DDT.
The oceans have not risen either. In fact if you forgo all the actual measurements that back that up you can look at pics of Pacific Ocean atolls from the 40s and today and see it has only lowered.
In fact glaciers have been in retreat since 1850 which was the end of the Little Ice Age (which lasted 300 years). This appears to be a natural part of the cycle and there's nothing unusual about it. The problem arises when you identify a natural phenomenon and then attribute that to some random behaviour because it happens to fit your argument. The mosquito problem is a classic example. Maybe it is because of global warming? But maybe it's because of the disuse of DDT? Or maybe it's something else?
hobbit123 wrote:
In fact glaciers have been in retreat since 1850 which was the end of the Little Ice Age (which lasted 300 years). This appears to be a natural part of the cycle and there's nothing unusual about it. The problem arises when you identify a natural phenomenon and then attribute that to some random behaviour because it happens to fit your argument. The mosquito problem is a classic example. Maybe it is because of global warming? But maybe it's because of the disuse of DDT? Or maybe it's something else?
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Exactly. We haven't been measuring things even close to long enough to even begin to understand the cycles of the planet. I believe in protecting the environment in common sense manners. Not create something that doesn't exist. IE carbon credits to sell and buy to make someone wealthy. Lol.
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