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Nov 17, 2019 16:47:55   #
NikonJohn Loc: Indiana U.S.A.
 
Not sure if this is your issue, but this is what was happening to me with that same result.
I was having prints made rather than using my printer though, but I would think the issue might be the same.
First, are you printing/working from jpg or raw files?
I was printing from TIF files (made from raw files), because there is no color compression with TIF's and this was the problem I had a number of years ago. I had set my camera to Adobe RGB rather than sRGB because Adobe RGB has a larger color pallet, so I thought that would be better. However if the lab (but maybe printer also) does not pay for the Adobe license they don't have that color pallet, so in my case they just printed from the sRGB pallet without converting. This was making the colors in the prints really dull looking. I have since set my cameras to sRGB and I don't have the problem any more. I can't imagine there is a huge advantage to the Adobe color pallet even if it is bigger... my prints from Nations Photo Lab look great from sRGB tif files. They don't look quite as good if I send jpg files (I did that once for a calendar). If you are using Adobe software and shot it Adobe RGB it may be sending the Adobe colors to the printer and the printer may not recognize that color pallet. Check your cameras color pallet settings and see what they are. If it's set to Adobe RGB change it to sRGB. When you are working on the computer save the files for printing as TIF files. Then send the TIF file to the printer and see how that looks, they look great on my HP printer. This might be worth a checking into.
Hope you find the issue soon, ink is expensive.

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Nov 18, 2019 11:16:59   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
This morning I ran off 4 test prints. 2 were 16 bit and 2 were 8 bit. Of each bit pair 1 one was printed with Photoshop in control and the other with the printer in control. The 16 bit images were left in Adobe RGB while the 8 bit were converted to sRGB.
After letting the prints dry down the 4 of them were shuffled and then I tried to determine by looking at them which was which.
I couldn’t see much, if any difference from one to the other. Maybe the PS controlled prints have a tad more contrast, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

All this means? Does the printer's software compress the input colors to match its color space so that it doesn't matter to any large degree what color space and bit level we input with??

If it matters, I print with an Epson R3000

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Nov 18, 2019 11:53:09   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Rich1939 wrote:
This morning I ran off 4 test prints. 2 were 16 bit and 2 were 8 bit. Of each bit pair 1 one was printed with Photoshop in control and the other with the printer in control. The 16 bit images were left in Adobe RGB while the 8 bit were converted to sRGB.
After letting the prints dry down the 4 of them were shuffled and then I tried to determine by looking at them which was which.
I couldn’t see much, if any difference from one to the other. Maybe the PS controlled prints have a tad more contrast, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

All this means? Does the printer's software compress the input colors to match its color space so that it doesn't matter to any large degree what color space and bit level we input with??

If it matters, I print with an Epson R3000
This morning I ran off 4 test prints. 2 were 16 bi... (show quote)


Nice try at Hijacking the thread! To answer your question you'll need to provide a lot more information such as if you have a calibrated workflow, paper, ink, icc profile, etc.. If your question is "Is there a difference between software control?", then the answer is yes. Printing photos involves a lot more than just hooking up your printer. Check the Red River Paper site for detailed information. Best of luck.

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Nov 18, 2019 12:16:01   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
cjc2 wrote:
Nice try at Hijacking the thread! To answer your question you'll need to provide a lot more information such as if you have a calibrated workflow, paper, ink, icc profile, etc.. If your question is "Is there a difference between software control?", then the answer is yes. Printing photos involves a lot more than just hooking up your printer. Check the Red River Paper site for detailed information. Best of luck.


I'm happy to see that you appreciate my effort to address something that was brought up in this thread. To wit: what effect various conditions could have on the final print.
You know from previous posts that I have a calibrated set up and that I have read the Red River information. If you don't agree with what I found, explain why.
BTW Since I used one image and only varied the printing control method, bit depth and color space for this test if my monitor is calibrated (it is) or not, would have no bearing on the results since I never touched any adjustments during the test.

Your unwarranted attack from out of left field has been entertaining. I await further light moments.

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Nov 18, 2019 12:37:59   #
The Watcher
 
Golden Rule wrote:
Epson P800 Surecolor printer is not printing colors shown on monitor. I calibrated monitor twice with XRite iPro and using the ICC profile for the particular paper that I'm using from Red River Paper. Whites come out off white or kind of a very light gray and the other colors are a bit dull maybe a very very slight tint of magenta. Any tips on what steps to try to remedy this dilemma? To make a print come out looking like what was on monitor I had to really brighten photo up almost blowing out whites. Thanks in advance for any remedy to the problem.
Epson P800 Surecolor printer is not printing color... (show quote)


I suggest visiting this site and looking through the playlists, I'm sure you find some answers there.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCz9YXaSulpM90vC24lmAeZA

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Nov 18, 2019 13:54:38   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
NikonJohn wrote:
Not sure if this is your issue, but this is what was happening to me with that same result.
I was having prints made rather than using my printer though, but I would think the issue might be the same.
First, are you printing/working from jpg or raw files?
I was printing from TIF files (made from raw files), because there is no color compression with TIF's and this was the problem I had a number of years ago. I had set my camera to Adobe RGB rather than sRGB because Adobe RGB has a larger color pallet, so I thought that would be better. However if the lab (but maybe printer also) does not pay for the Adobe license they don't have that color pallet, so in my case they just printed from the sRGB pallet without converting. This was making the colors in the prints really dull looking. I have since set my cameras to sRGB and I don't have the problem any more. I can't imagine there is a huge advantage to the Adobe color pallet even if it is bigger... my prints from Nations Photo Lab look great from sRGB tif files. They don't look quite as good if I send jpg files (I did that once for a calendar). If you are using Adobe software and shot it Adobe RGB it may be sending the Adobe colors to the printer and the printer may not recognize that color pallet. Check your cameras color pallet settings and see what they are. If it's set to Adobe RGB change it to sRGB. When you are working on the computer save the files for printing as TIF files. Then send the TIF file to the printer and see how that looks, they look great on my HP printer. This might be worth a checking into.
Hope you find the issue soon, ink is expensive.
Not sure if this is your issue, but this is what w... (show quote)


It has nothing to do with the lab not wanting to pay for Adobe RGB colorspace. It is a physical limitation of the printers, even sRGB is a wider gamut than the printers can accurately represent. There is also no advantage to sending a TIF over a JPEG. This might not be true if you're sending your work to a high-end lab, but even then it's hit or miss. Also a good inkjet printer might support a wider gamut like Adobe RGB and even possibly ProPhoto RGB.

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Nov 19, 2019 10:21:21   #
Golden Rule Loc: Washington State
 
Jrhoffman75 wrote:
I'm just going to blast out questions that have been related to printing problems when I've worked with folks. No insult intended if I ask a basic question.

1. have you run a nozzle check to be sure the printer is functioning correctly?

2. is this a new printer that you just installed; try reinstalling the latest driver from the Epson website.

3. have you verified you are printing on correct side of the paper. Some papers are very hard to tell print side.

4. download and print the following test image. When you open the file in your software just print it; don't make any adjustments regardless of how it looks on screen.

http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi049/essay.html
I'm just going to blast out questions that have be... (show quote)


Yep. Always check for driver updates and paper is correct side and type according to ICC profile.

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Apr 11, 2020 01:41:34   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I believe the recommended approach is to let the software control the output.

I've never done it, but you can set a printer profile for each paper.
Bill_de wrote:
The print driver for the P800 gives you a choice of letting the software or the printer control the output.

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