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Oct 30, 2019 06:42:16   #
sergiohm
 
Get the AF-S NIKKOR 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR and be done with it!

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Oct 30, 2019 06:45:55   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
sergiohm wrote:
Get the AF-S NIKKOR 200-500mm f/5.6E ED VR and be done with it!


That's going to cost me AUD$2,000. If I can make do with the equipment I have that would pay for a three week luxury holiday in South East Asia. Have you any idea how good the photographic opportunities are in Vietnam, Cambodia and Thailand?

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Oct 30, 2019 07:07:04   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
WDCash wrote:
Nice image and thanks for the thoughts re the 150 -600s.
Just curious how far out this bird was? I find it amost common fot bif imagea to be over 100 sand sometimes 200+' out. The same.often applies to other birda that are not flying.
Going to 600 is very attractive to me vs my older sigma 400.


Thanks! The White Ibis was about between 54 and 58 m out, or about 185 ft.

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Oct 30, 2019 07:15:05   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Reconvic wrote:
The D850 is the D500 and a D850. The 850 crops at 20 mps which is the same as the D500. There is NO advantage using the D850 in crop mode, just the opposite. When you put it in crop mode you are narrowing you DOF (more difficult to shoot BIF) and very often I get the opportunity when shooting birds to not crop and take advantage of the whole banana (45 megapixels). In crop mode the D850 GIVES YOU NO EXTRA REACH! You do the same thing in PP that is narrowing your depth of field and cropping comes in at 20 mps. I've had the Sigma 600C, rented the nikkor 500, and now have upgraded to the Tamron 600 G2. The Tammy gets consistently sharper images than the others but some will disagree. Most have never shot birds/BIFs. (you're sure as heck aren't going to be using a tripod unless you're at the bird feeder)
The D850 is the D500 and a D850. The 850 crops at ... (show quote)


Couldn't agree more with everything you've written!

Only those that are not experienced with the G2 (or the Sigma Sport) would disagree. I've tried all of the long lenses from Nikon (80-400, 200-500, 600mmF4, 300mm with a 1.4X, 500mmF4). and both Tamrons and Sigmas 150-600s - and I have to agree with you. The G2 is just behind the 600mmF4 and the 500mmF4 in sharpness and contrast - especially if you stop the lenses down for a little extra DoF, the worst is the 80-400, and the lower cost 150-600s and the 200-500 are in the middle, right behind the G2 and Sigma Sport. If someone thinks otherwise, they haven't tried them all. As you, I am a Nikon shooter, but I am not a fan of lables - and I pick my gear carefully with regards to performance, but keeping an eye on value. I wanted to love the 200-500 but I couldn't for a variety of reasons.

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Oct 30, 2019 07:16:57   #
markinvictoria Loc: Victoria TX
 
I went to local air show/fly-in a couple of years ago. I had my D7100 with a 200-500...met up with another photographer who was shooting with a D500 and Tammy 150-600 G2. We did some equipment swapping and experimenting. He went home and traded his Tammy G2 for the Nikon 200-500. I went home and ordered the D500.

If I was looking for a super zoom today...I'd look real close at the Sigma 60-600 Sport. I used to have one of the original Bigma 50-500 with no OS...loved the range...just didn't work well with the newer bodies.

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Oct 30, 2019 07:46:00   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
hobbit123 wrote:
Thanks for the reply. I'm not really questioning whether the converter works, it's more about whether I should be using DX or FX mode on the D850 and whether that makes any difference at all to the quality of the image. In my simplistic view they should both be exactly the same. So in fact I don't understand what the perceived benefit is of a DX image mode...


Generally speaking, the more pixels the more detail, if your lens is close enough. You lose a stop or two of light with the 2x TC, but in daylight that’s ok, given the right perspective. 400mm should do ok if you’re close enough. But 375 is probably going to be sharper. I use a 100-400 on a full frame 42MP. Technique is everything.
Have fun!

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Oct 30, 2019 07:46:48   #
ELNikkor
 
Get the Nikon 200-500 to improve your bird photography, birds are much smaller than streetlamps.

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Oct 30, 2019 08:03:19   #
OllieFCR
 
Congratulations. You have chosen an area of photography that is perhaps the most demanding of equipment. Unless you choose to shoot only the large birds that allow for close approach (i.e. Great Blue Herons and Egrets) you will need to spend some money for quality, longer focal length lenses. Perhaps the most commonly used lens is the excellent 200-500mm f5.6 Nikkor lens. It is a heavy lens though at 5.1 lbs. You will almost never use it at less than 500mm so another great option is the new 500mm f5.6 lens weighing in at 3.2 lbs. As a prime lens it should be sharper but is, of course, more expensive. Anything less than lenses of quality and reach would be selling your excellent camera body short in my opinion. I have found that teleconverters are usually not worth the trouble. For a 1.4x TC you lose enough sharpness that you might as well just crop more and not lose the f-stop. Many times the autofocus is a little slower with the TC as well, a problem with those fast moving little birds.

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Oct 30, 2019 08:15:55   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
This was shot with 200mm so it is possible to get ‘reasonable’ results from a relatively short focal length...



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Oct 30, 2019 08:17:49   #
hobbit123 Loc: Brisbane, Australia
 
...and this


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Oct 30, 2019 08:24:33   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
Gene51 wrote:
If money is no object, the 600mmF4 FL is the way to go. You are not going to find a sharper lens.

If you are looking for value, look no further than the Sigma 150-600 S or the Tamron 150-600 G2 - these are built quite well, have weather sealing, and cost $1800 and $1200 respectively.

You can get a 200-500 Nikkor, which is still a very good lens, but if you want longer than 500mm, you'd have to use a 1.4xTC and there goes the image quality and the reason you purchased a D850.

I had an older 600mmF4 which was my main lens for shooting birds. It was heavy, which meant the tripod and head was a constant companion. I started using a Sigma Sport in 2017 and found it every bit as sharp as my 600mmF4, a little more than half the weight, which meant I could use it hand-held, and much easier to grab and go with. When shooting it is attached to my Black Rapid sling strap by it's tripod socket.

FWIW, I borrowed the 200-500 from NPS, and found it sharp and crisp, but I found the Sigma to be closer in quality to my 600mmF4 than the Nikkor, and I enjoyed the extra 100mm. The fact the Nikkor is not sealed against the envirnment was a non-starter for me. It is not unusual for me to go out in light drizzle, to the seashore for shore birds, and other environments that are inhospitable to an unsealed lens.

I've since shot a bit with a friend's Tamron G2 and found it every bit as good as the Sigma and virtually indistinguishable from shots taken with the 600mm F4.

This was taken this past August with the Sigma Sport at 600mm, F7.1 1/800 sec, NIkon D810.
If money is no object, the 600mmF4 FL is the way t... (show quote)


A 600mm f/4 is awesome, if you are experienced. If you are still developing your panning skills, a 150-600 will allow you learn to get the subject in frame at progressive lengths. Lifting a 600 to the eye and having a moving subject in frame is a learned skill. And it ain't easy.

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Oct 30, 2019 08:37:59   #
Traveller_Jeff
 
DaveO wrote:
The Nikon 200-500 is likely the best bang for the buck and is currently on sale.


Where? Any particular store? Nikon itself? Thanks.

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Oct 30, 2019 09:00:42   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
DaveO wrote:
The Nikon 200-500 is likely the best bang for the buck and is currently on sale. Quicker to focus than my 150-600 G2 and works quite well on the D500/D850. The 70-200, even with TC is not long enough to suit me.


I agree. The 200-500 (I own it) is an excellent choice for that camera.

An even better choice might be the Nikkor 500 PF (I don't own it), currently in short supply. It is reported to be lighter and easier to hand hold.

Of course if you are shooting strictly for yourself and can't see any difference it doesn't matter much.

I am not very good at birds in flight. I never use crop mode on my D850 with subjects that move. With a full frame image I can crop in post for best composition and still put as many pixels on the image as I would if shooting in crop mode.

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Oct 30, 2019 09:01:06   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
You could get a 600mm, add a TC, shoot in cropped format, and really reach out there and touch those birds.

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Oct 30, 2019 09:03:06   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
hobbit123 wrote:
I have a D850 and would like opinions on what combination of lens/teleconverter/image area I should use to get the best result. My longest lens is a Nikkor 80-200mm f/2.8. Today I took some test shots of a street lamp outside the house, first with the lens only @ 200mm using the FX image area. Then I shot the same scene using the DX crop image area. And finally I shot it again using DX crop and a TC-200 teleconverter. I cropped the resultant images so that the lamp was the same size and was surprised that I couldn't pick between any of the images. Or is that what I should have expected? Should I have shot using the FX image area and the teleconverter to improve things?
I have a D850 and would like opinions on what comb... (show quote)


I use both the 200-500 5.6 Nikkor and the new 500 5.5 Nikkor with great results from the D850. Please do not use the 2X teleconverter as it degrades the image especially on a zoom lens.
I would strongly suggest getting the Nikon 200-500 mm lens. It is a great value for the price and will give you great images.

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