greymule Loc: Colorado

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/clean-air-villains_n_1881829.html?utm_campaign=091412&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-green&utm_content=FullStory

And Mitt's not on the side of saving the planet, either.

charlie Loc: Minneapolis, Minnesota

Thank you for using the HUFF/POST. A more non-partisan neutral source you could not find. Those pesky Republicans!
Now: Can we discuss the economy?

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

"HUFF/POST" - what's the fairy tale about huff and a puff and blow the house down? That's what it seems to think about itself, their fairy tale is that they are nothing but hot air and don't know otherwise

pigpen

That's right, we all want dirty air and water, we have our own supply so we can dirty yours up.

The left can't run on BamBam's "accomplishments", so they just keep bringing up distractions.

Gnslngr

Yea. Because when the air is fouled and the water runs out (and that's closer than most pick-up truck conservatives know), then you'll find out what a "distraction" it is.

The environment is the single most important issue facing us. Our children will live in a completely different environment than we do (and it will be considerably more hostile) and, although there is now little we can do to lighten their burdens, what we can do we should be doing. The economy is nothing compared to the increased temperatures that will make this planet a hell to live on.

Sneidley Loc: Goodyear, AZ

Just curious, just how high are these "increased temperatures" that you mention? I live in Chicago area, and we just had one of the hottest summers on record, but our temps her were no where near what My son has in Phoenix. His family seams to really like the weather out there. So, my question is, How much higher and won't we just get used to it?

Gnslngr

The weather and climate you see around you does not always reflect what is going on in the world. By 2100, the average U.S. temperature is projected to increase by about 4°F to 11°F, depending on emissions scenario and climate model. An increase in average temperatures worldwide implies more frequent and intense extreme heat events, or heat waves. The number of days with high temperatures above 90°F is expected to increase throughout the United States, especially in areas that already experience heat waves. For example, areas of the Southeast and Southwest currently experience an average of 60 days per year with a high temperature above 90°F. These areas are projected to experience 150 or more days a year above 90°F by the end of the century, under a higher emissions scenario. In addition to occurring more frequently, these very hot days are projected to be about 10°F hotter at the end of this century than they are today, under a higher emissions scenario.

This will affect food and water supply as the population increases.

greymule Loc: Colorado

Get used to it? Higher temps mean, for one thing, much less oxygen is capable of being dissolved in water. Fish use dissolved oxygen to live, and will die in the water with decreased oxygen. This tragedy occurred this summer in some Midwestern bodies of water. In Colorado, the increased temps of water required that fishing bans be imposed during the daytime because fish could not stand the additional stress of being caught and released.

Agricultural crops will suffer also from additional higher temps. Areas where food is grown now will become too hot.

This summer in Colorado the temperatures were consistently higher to the point where the tomatoes would not set blossoms.

The earth is a closed system as far as heat is concerned. Many of the temperature moderating features of the earth are being destroyed or keenly denigrated. For example, the melting of ice covered areas of the earth destroys the heat reflecting properties of the formerly ice-covered areas. The melting then exposes the darker land, which is heat absorbing, causing a higher thermal storage, which in turn causes more ice melting, and so on.

Once the earth gets to a tipping point, there will be nothing that can cool it down. It is sort of a thermal inertia that once gets beyond a certain point in heat, there is no turning back.

Consider this analogy:

If you have a closed environment like the earth, say a large warehouse with an air conditioning system, once the warehouse gets too hot, the air conditioner can no longer cool it. It's a simplistic analogy, but it helps to understand the idea.

The original post was not a distraction, but a sad tale of Congress being bought by industry polluters. It has nothing to do with Obama, you myopic morons. It has to do with grasping reality.

Mr. Mittens, if president, will have no concerns or respect for the earth, or for our environmental health, or for our personal health. He makes no bones about it, either. He is the man for the polluters with no articulated plans for "jobs", the "economy", or anything else. Just more money for the rich. Did you watch the Mitty viddy? Sad commentary by the man himself.

For the life of me, I am unable to understand the short shortsightedness of some of the members here. It doesn't have to be either or. We must have a rational balance. Rich Man Mittens has no clue about much of anything, like environmental policy, foreign policy, economic policy, health care policy, military spending, or anything else- except money for the rich.

Actually, I think he's your man because he is as clueless as you are.

BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD

OF COURSE THE PLANET IS WARMING - just like it has been since the ice age. The glaciers that covered, at least North America gave us, among other things - the Grand Canyon and the Chesapeake Bay. Where did that ice go if it didn't melt? Well, why did it melt? It melted because the cllimate warmed!
Why does anyone think:
a. warming is going to stop.
b. that humans have anything to do with warming.
c. that humans can stop the warming.
Those who espouse such are the same ones who, during the early 70's, advocated that which they now deplore so as, then, to make a blanket to keep the heat in delay or prevent the ice age they said was coming. In my opinion, those who advocate climate control have two things driving them:
a. power and influence - i.e.: the inflation of their ego
b. money
Life on the planet would be better served if people devoted their energy to figuring out how we are going to live with higher termpretures rather than trying to prevent the inevitable; which is like trying to stop a landslide or an avalanche.
A paradox - plant life needs carbon to live, living plant life provides oxygen which animal life needs to live. How far can we reduce carbon without ill effect to plant life resulting in ill effect to animal life? Kill one - kill the other!

Gnslngr

I am not a scientist (I say that because many people, including BboH, think they are) but the science I read says that, unfortunately, many climatologists think that we're past the tipping point.

Obama's record isn't stellar either, but then again, the men whose fortunes depend upon the fouling of this once beautiful planet have purchased the Congress and used propaganda to brainwash the pick-up truck conservatives, so one wonders how effective any president will be.

greymule Loc: Colorado

>>A paradox - plant life needs carbon to live, living plant life provides oxygen which animal life needs to live. How far can we reduce carbon without ill effect to plant life resulting in ill effect to animal life? Kill one - kill the other![/quote]<<

Do you know how much CO2 is required for plant life?

Didn't think so.

Please refrain from making comments about things you know nothing about. Makes you look bad.

Gnslngr

Not only that, repeating the lies and propaganda of the climate change deniers is harmful to lives and to the earth.

HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO

And another reason the "Huff-Puff" has proven irrelevant. Environmental standards are stronger in this nation than almost every other country - and many do it without the political nonsense.

pigpen

The arrogance of the "know it all" left. Let's give you all a little test: Answer truthfully(I know as a lib that is tough to do). Give yourself 1 point for every question.

Do you own a hybrid vehicle? (2 points if it's a total electric car. You know, the ones that take you to the end of the block and back before you have to plug it into a tree. The ones that you have to pay a tax on because the government found out it would loose money on gas tax revenue.)

Do you have solar panels on your house? ( the ones that sell for half of what they cost to make.)

Do you take a bus or train everywhere? (2 points if you walk or bike everywhere)

Do you have a windmill in your yard? (the ones that need to operate for 9-12 years until you break even, then they start needing repairs, so you really don't break even.)

Do you collect rain water for your garden and flowers?

Do(did) you use cotton diapers so you could wash them and reuse them?

I could go on, but have become quite bored.

So, is you have a total of 5-8 points, CONGRADUALTIONS. Your either lying, or your Ed begley Jr.

If you have 0-4 points, CONGRADULATIONS you are a hypocritical liberal like your hero Al Gore. You know the guy, the one that gets in his private limo to take him to his private plane, to fly him to his house in TN where his average monthly electric bill is $1,200.

They coudn't even accurately predict the weather for this weekend, let alone year 2100. How about the 2 scientists (I believe professors at a Colorado U.) Who have been "predicting" the hurricane season for several years now. They came out last year to state they were no longer doing this, because they have been wildly inaccurate, and have paniced people unnecessarily.

Gnslngr

The arrogance of the totally ignorant. There is not a single reputable scientist that does not acknowledge that humans have effected changes in our climate. And not one who thinks we're going to be okay continuing on the same course.

It ain't about "libs" or conservatives, you moron. It's about SURVIVAL. Your post is a perfect example of how ignorant people who are easily duped by monied interests let this happen to our planet. Unfortunately, it's not just the weak-minded and stupid who will have to live with the consequences of your complete lack of intelligence or concern; other, brighter people will suffer as well. Shame on you.