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Oct 22, 2019 09:50:58   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Digital cameras are basically a computer accessory and have tools available for all levels of users. I think that advanced users are akin to computer programmers who apply the tools to get what they want. Casual users, not so much.

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Oct 22, 2019 11:06:11   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Gene51 wrote:
That is only temporary. Once the camera is learned, it can feel like an extension of yourself, and using it becomes a simple matter of pointing it at a subject and pressing the shutter.



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Oct 22, 2019 11:14:54   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Photography is art and science.

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Oct 22, 2019 11:16:53   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
Actually, there are Bridge cameras that are more complex than crop sensor DSLR cameras. It was simple with SLR film cameras. You chose the proper ASA film, set the aperture, based on the camera light meter, and set the shutter speed. Sometimes experimenting with good and bad results. That's how it was with my father's Minolta SRT-101 when I borrowed it long ago. Now, with digital, I can see my image. And, I can delete it, and do it all over again. I rarely delete an image on my SD card. I just take another photo. On SLR film cameras, you had a maximum of 36 exposures. You made every attempt, to get it right, before pushing the shutter button. On digital, it is pretty much the same, except ASA is ISO now. You still have to set aperture and shutter speed.

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Oct 22, 2019 11:27:28   #
CurleyB Loc: MAITLAND FL
 
The same could be said about the phones in our pockets. While some are still yearning for the days of the flip phone (or table top phone in some cases) the majority of us who have embraced technology fully enjoy the many challenges and results of emerging technology. Nearly a year ago I purchased a new Nikon D750, a far cry from my old Minolta SRT101. Unable to navigate my new camera on my own, I turned once again to technology and viewed several YouTube videos on the basics of my specific camera. While still struggling with my photographic techniques I truly enjoy the benifits of my new camera.

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Oct 22, 2019 11:31:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When we are no longer able to change a situation, we are challenged to change ourselves.

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Oct 22, 2019 11:33:49   #
analogman
 
O.K. those of you who feel the cameras are not to technical, fine. I'm glad you enkoy the use. But, there ar those of us who would prefer a simpler camera. Why does a DSLR have to have all those buttons and settings? Why can't the makers (Nikon and Canon) just make a model similar to a film camera? Yes, I know the "techno geeks' reading this are rolling their eyes and may suffer a stroke but, some of us just want a quality simple DSLR without needing to learn jibber jabber.

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Oct 22, 2019 11:34:29   #
tommystrat Loc: Bigfork, Montana
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Technology is not a distraction from the art of photography. The opposite is true.


In the right hands, technology is miraculous in helping to create powerful and beautiful images. In the wrong hands, well....we've all seen some of those pictures!

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Oct 22, 2019 12:07:21   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Gene51 wrote:
That is only temporary. Once the camera is learned, it can feel like an extension of yourself, and using it becomes a simple matter of pointing it at a subject and pressing the shutter.


Absolute agree about it becoming an extension. I don't have to think about controlling my 7D Mark II, it just happens. There is very little about my camera that I am not intimately familiar with. I think the problem for many people is that they buy feature rich cameras and feel a bit overwhelmed or intimidated. Or, perhaps they were not prepared for the complexity and large learning curve and are just not willing to invest the time and effort to get much beyond the basics.

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Oct 22, 2019 12:15:38   #
rebride
 
rmalarz wrote:
Yes, that's what it would appear. Once I ran through the menus and tried every setting. Then, I put the camera in manual and it works the same as film cameras I use. All I concern myself with is ISO, aperture, and shutter speed.
--Bob


Same here.
It is reason I like my Fujis. Analog style aperture ring and shutter speed dial. Use them just like my old Nikon Fs in the day.
The digital addition of auto bracketing and burst mode is boon.
Have new X-H1 with much more extensive menu, but once I figure it out it will be set and forget.
My old Pentax Digital Spotmeter (only readout is digital) now sits on the shelf. No need for external motor drive.
The are a few pluses for digital.

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Oct 22, 2019 12:24:50   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
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I can pound a nail with a hammer or a nail gun. The nail gun is faster, although more complex.

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Oct 22, 2019 12:28:18   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-da... (show quote)


I, for one, LOVE the media convergence tools we have today. Yes, my ‘60s - ‘70s Canon and Nikons were dirt simple and required thinking about exposure and focus. But even with automation, photographers STILL have to think. If we surrender to defaults, we must accept whatever we get.

Modern cameras offer a wide array of tools and options UNTHINKABLE 50 years ago. That means we have more potential to control results. It also means we have MORE RESPONSIBILITY to understand what the camera is doing, and intervene in our best interests as needed.

‘Reading The *Fine* Manual’ has never been so necessary, yet so inexplicably unpopular! So if you’re one of those who has resisted digging into 500 pages, then for mental strength, please eat your salmon, blueberries, spinach, broccoli, walnuts, multi-colored veggies, dark chocolate, and drink a mug of black coffee! Then dive in, educate yourself about that expensive toy/tool, and reap the rewards of mental efforts.

Learning modern technology seems like clawing your way through a brick wall with a Boy Scout knife. But on the other side of that (mental) wall is a gigantic toy store of possibilities where you can do almost anything you want.

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Oct 22, 2019 12:34:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
analogman wrote:
O.K. those of you who feel the cameras are not to technical, fine. I'm glad you enkoy the use. But, there ar those of us who would prefer a simpler camera. Why does a DSLR have to have all those buttons and settings? Why can't the makers (Nikon and Canon) just make a model similar to a film camera? Yes, I know the "techno geeks' reading this are rolling their eyes and may suffer a stroke but, some of us just want a quality simple DSLR without needing to learn jibber jabber.


Last I checked, the Nikon Df was still available. Film is still available, and film cameras are cheaper than ever!

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Oct 22, 2019 12:38:03   #
CurleyB Loc: MAITLAND FL
 
Try the Nikon Coolpix line. There should be something there to suit your needs, at a very reasonable price. But don’t complain: “But it doesn’t...........”

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Oct 22, 2019 12:46:25   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
twice_shooter wrote:
I remember back in high school (mid-70s) photography class when a teacher came in and started complaining about how the recently introduced auto exposure feature of the then new cameras was going to ruin the creativity of photography. It didn’t.

Cameras today work the same as they did 40+ years ago: set the ISO (ASA back when), set the shutter speed and the aperture. You don’t need to use all the technology that modern cameras have. It’s up to you on how and what you use. Cameras can be as simple or as complicated as you want or need them to be. My $0.02.
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Well, the early automation certainly DID degrade photography in thousands of high school yearbooks in the late 1970s through the 1980s.

Students thought they could just “set it on auto and fire away.” They DIDN’T want to learn exposure compensation, how to meter a scene properly, or why they couldn’t handhold a 135mm lens at 1/30 second.

I worked for a yearbook and portrait photography company for decades. I saw a near-immediate decline in photo quality through the 1980s. It got better in the early 1990s, but went south again as early digital cameras hit the market.

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