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Oct 22, 2019 08:25:11   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Camera-makers unnecessarily add to this complexity by including features and functions that the some (even most) camera users will never turn to. I give video recording as one example.

Shills and critics and essayists all but demand that a still camera also perform as a video-recording device. I for one never shoot videos for zero interest in this field of imagery. I do only still photography.

Yet there this video capability sits awaiting the press of a button or a switch and then any adjustments to the camera for this capability to perform to standard. Of course, video recording requires its own set of skills for best results per videography.
Never mind, though, writers persist in touting videography as a necessity, complicating things.

The contrarians have pretty much out-argued me in this criticism. Let them. I can do without video recording built into my camera. Some who agree with me say that if they want to do videography, then they will buy a video camera. This is my position.
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
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Oct 22, 2019 08:45:44   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
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Some of the New Cameras are Smarter than their owners.......

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Oct 22, 2019 08:47:41   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
Some of the New Cameras are Smarter than their owners.......


Some?

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Oct 22, 2019 08:53:47   #
1grumpybear
 
LWW wrote:
I can easily outsmart the camera, all it can do is offer up many technically correct exposures ... it cannot nail the correct creative exposure without human direction.


Could not have said it better myself!

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Oct 22, 2019 08:55:12   #
MrMophoto Loc: Rhode Island "The biggest little"
 
OK now my 2¢; I teach photography in a public high school The first half of class 101 is all the technical aspects of the process; ISO, Shutter speed, aperture and that's all because those three basic functions of a camera that haven't changed since emulsion was invented. Those ARE the three settings that affect the way a camera records an image. Everything else is just bells and whistles.
I often use the analogy of cars; the model T was an innovative means of transportation for the time and it required someone with mechanical ability to make it work. Today you can buy a car that is much more sophisticated and does a lot more, but it is still a means of transportation. Then there is the Indy 500, Nascar, etc. The drivers almost have to have an automotive engineering degree to understand the machine they are working with. Obviously, most of use just drive cars as a means of transportation we can certainly enjoy the ride and the vehicle but we don't have to know all the engineering of how it works. Then there are those of us that are race car drivers (or think we are), the difference is how we use the technology.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:06:54   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Some?


HHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

AMEN BROTHER

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Oct 22, 2019 09:10:11   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Bigmike1 wrote:
We’re talking about good olé days in photography, not everything else.


Who are you taking to Willis. Please use the quote reply in the future.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:11:22   #
PaulBrit Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
 
rmalarz wrote:
Yes, that's what it would appear. Once I ran through the menus and tried every setting. Then, I put the camera in manual and it works the same as film cameras I use. All I concern myself with is ISO, aperture, and shutter speed.
--Bob


Bob sums it up in this interesting post.

I went to RAW soon after getting my new Nikon (a D750), thanks to advice from UHH members, and love the improvement this technological world gives me. The camera that is.

I am inspired now to take shots of almost anything that catches my eye. I believe I am taking better photographs now than ever before. Our recent trip to Utah was an example of that.

The camera sits close by.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:18:58   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Well, little to add by now after reading the excellent comments from others about your concerns with modern cameras. When AF was introduced by Minolta some years back I refused to use it. In my old mind manual focus was superior. Today I favor AF lenses.
It is a fact that the new cameras are packed with technology. I am always amazed at the features built into the small mirrorless bodies. Although like many others here I am still using my basic camera settings many times the technologies built into the cameras have helped me improve many images. I use Manual Mode often but Aperture Priority has become my standard.

Modern cameras are simple to operate and they can be as complicated as we want to make them. Technology improves our abilities to make better images and we are still in command.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:23:18   #
Stephan G
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I don't care if you disagree. I spent 40 years working with actual real computers and I'm pretty sure I know what makes up an actual computer and I don't know of a single digital camera that will do what an actual computer can do. Like I said, the cameras contain micro processors. But there's more to actual computers that just micro processors. As for I/O devices, the I/O devices used by computers are quite different than cameras.


Poe-tay-toe or Pah-tah-tah? Who cares. Just let those machines weave the Jacquards they were designed to do.

Everyone has something in which they have a tremendous learning curve. What is usually missing is a well written manual.

Any computer is a fancy paperweight without the code.

As for the I/O "devices", they are too numerous to list.

Like any tool, the end product determines its design. One does not have to know or use all of the capabilities of the tool. They need to know how to use those functions they can use to create the final image they have in mind. A "yes-no" (tree) diagram would suffice for many.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:23:33   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Your camera is a small box of tools. You don't need 'em all for every little job. But when you need a specific tool, it is there for you to access.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:27:55   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
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Then I would expect you still enjoy and outhouse, ride a horse to work and all those drugs that keep us alive? It's all relative! :) :)

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Oct 22, 2019 09:29:16   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
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I agree.

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Oct 22, 2019 09:32:31   #
Stephan G
 
billnikon wrote:
If you like the "GOOD OLD DAYS", then go you would love NO SEAT BELTS, No anti-lock breaks, no pollution devices, rear wheel drive, no navigation, no cell phones (only land line phones in your home), no apps on your phone, no labels telling you what is in a product, etc. etc. etc.
Thanks but no thanks.


And no "Laundry Lists"!

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Oct 22, 2019 09:44:23   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
The Villages wrote:
As I read through the daily digests from day-to-day, there seems to be a stream of questions regarding the camera's workings. I think it is agreed that the cameras of today are becoming (or have become) small hand held computers. To my mind, their complexity takes away from the true art of photography. Seems like we often spend more time fooling around with trying to figure out the workings of the camera then in taking the best photograph we can. Maybe I'm just a "good old days" kind of guy.

Your thoughts.
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What I would have given for histograms back in my 35, 120, and 4x5 days. And continuous high speed shutters, and....etc, etc.

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