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Oct 20, 2019 11:46:27   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the broken-hearted people living in the world agree
There will be an answer, let it be
For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Yeah, there will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me
Shine until tomorrow, let it be
I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be

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Oct 20, 2019 11:53:35   #
RightOnPhotography Loc: Quebec,QC
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Pro for mirrorlesss: size, weight, live exposure in EVF. No cons so far

Panasonic G7, Olympus EM-10
Last dslr was Canon T3i.


Totally agree with Linda. I use Z6 most of the time while D750 stays in the drawer unless I need it for the occasional studio work or a wildlife shoot.

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Oct 20, 2019 12:30:44   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the broken-hearted people living in the world agree
There will be an answer, let it be
For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Yeah, there will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me
Shine until tomorrow, let it be
I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mar... (show quote)


Like I said.

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Oct 20, 2019 13:18:28   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bleirer wrote:
I guess mirrorless cameras are always live view. In the DSLR live view opens the shutter and reads the photosites and displays a jpeg equivelent to the led screen. Mirrorless does that too, but it also sends that view to the to the viewfinder. So you are right live view and mirrorless are the same or similar in that way.


One of the reasons for battery drain in mirrorless is that the led screen is ON all the time. But, you can turn it off and that I have done, helps save the battery.
It does not seem to matter weather on not I am shooting jpeg or raw the same image is displayed in the viewfinder.

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Oct 20, 2019 13:26:24   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Shel B wrote:
I'd just like some opinion from those who have shot both mirror and mirrorless cameras. Pros and cons of each. Thanks.


Horseman 985.

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Oct 20, 2019 13:33:08   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Gene51 wrote:
Horseman 985.


That's hilarious.
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Oct 20, 2019 15:18:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the broken-hearted people living in the world agree
There will be an answer, let it be
For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Yeah, there will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me
Shine until tomorrow, let it be
I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mar... (show quote)



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Oct 20, 2019 15:31:34   #
User ID
 
Collhar wrote:
..........
...... .... absolutely terrible. I thought
being a troll was frowned upon. ... .....

That IS the point.

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Oct 20, 2019 15:38:27   #
User ID
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For a DSLR, that Live View is the 'live' sensor data routed to the camera's rear LCD. The mirror is lifted and held up in this 'special' DSLR configuration. You can zoom into the focus details. For a mirrorless camera, that same display on the LCD exists. But, that same Live View presentation also exists in the camera's electronic view finder EVF, always, including the 10x zoom, histogram display and other configurable information. For many mirrorless cameras, this function requires no special configuration. Hold the camera to your eye, and the EVF displays the data. Lower the camera from the eye, and the rear LCD displays the data. No buttons, no delay, all automatic.
For a DSLR, that Live View is the 'live' sensor da... (show quote)


Bottom line for this Live View fan: Why include a
mirror, frosted screen, and a prism in my camera
if I always just bypass all that by pressing the LV
button to get my preferred working environment ?

===========================

My first post-film-era cameras were midlevel Nikon
and Canon digital SLRs. HORRIBLE devices which
mainly served to show that the SLR, as a design,
translated quite poorly from film to digital. But I
had no other options, nobody did.

Then Live View was added to SLRs. A very welcome
crutch. Push the LV button the SLR goes away, well
kinda partly sorta goes away.

And finally, along came REAL digital cameras for the
working photographer. Hallelujah ! The King is dead.
Long live the King
.

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Oct 20, 2019 16:09:03   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Shel B wrote:
Thanks, everyone. The discussion was helpful. Guess I'll stick with my old D700. It's bulky, heavy, and solid as a rock. I didn't see enough pros for mirrorless to make the switch.


The best reason for buying mirrorless is the new technology and some of the things that can be done with mirrorless and not with a DSLR. The biggest reason for not going mirrorless is you still have a camera that meets your needs and that new technology will cost you money. Take pictures and switch when you see some technology that you do not want to be without. It is all good.

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Oct 20, 2019 16:09:41   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Your desire to succeed as a photographer must be greater than your fear you can't afford the best equipment.

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Oct 20, 2019 16:23:49   #
bleirer
 
billnikon wrote:
One of the reasons for battery drain in mirrorless is that the led screen is ON all the time. But, you can turn it off and that I have done, helps save the battery.
It does not seem to matter weather on not I am shooting jpeg or raw the same image is displayed in the viewfinder.


When you look into the viewfinder of mirrorless the led senses it and goes black, if set to auto, at least on mine, otherwise you control on or off. If you flip the articulating screen around of course it is off.The preview is the same raw or jpeg because it is based on the jpeg. When I get my first blinkie in the preview I still have 2/3 stops in raw as a cushion before blowing a highlight.

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Oct 26, 2019 22:28:33   #
leicajah Loc: Texas, grew up in Louisiana
 
I really love my Leica M with live vue

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Oct 26, 2019 22:31:41   #
leicajah Loc: Texas, grew up in Louisiana
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
And in my hour of darkness she is standing right in front of me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the broken-hearted people living in the world agree
There will be an answer, let it be
For though they may be parted, there is still a chance that they will see
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Yeah, there will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
And when the night is cloudy there is still a light that shines on me
Shine until tomorrow, let it be
I wake up to the sound of music, Mother Mary comes to me
Speaking words of wisdom, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
There will be an answer, let it be
Let it be, let it be, let it be, yeah, let it be
When I find myself in times of trouble, Mother Mar... (show quote)


Sir Paul wrote that about his mom, Mary. I was so blessed. My Mom paid for tickets to see the Beatles.

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Oct 29, 2019 16:49:22   #
Shel B
 
Not sure that's a great answer. You can dig a hole with a shovel or a backhoe...and get the same result... but the backhoe makes the job quite a bit easier. If I can get the same photo results with a smaller, lighter, easier to use camera it might be worth the switch. But I appreciate your thoughtful answer. :)

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