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Oct 20, 2019 03:47:05   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
Shel B wrote:
Thanks, everyone. The discussion was helpful. Guess I'll stick with my old D700. It's bulky, heavy, and solid as a rock. I didn't see enough pros for mirrorless to make the switch.


Sensible response.

When you find there's something you can't achieve with your existing camera to get the result you want, that's the time to consider new equipment

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Oct 20, 2019 06:27:50   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
User ID wrote:
You'll hafta read more of
trader john's posts if you
really wanna understand.

But as a shortcut, there's
always his family portrait:

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Oct 20, 2019 07:33:05   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
User ID wrote:
You'll hafta read more of
trader john's posts if you
really wanna understand.

But as a shortcut, there's
always his family portrait:


My word. What are you...12?? That is terrible absolutely terrible. I thought being a troll was frowned upon. I don't know much about trader john. I can tell you I want to know even less about you. Very sad and uncalled for.

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Oct 20, 2019 08:21:52   #
Drbobcameraguy Loc: Eaton Ohio
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Pro for mirrorless - Size and weight, live histogram in the viewfinder - In body image stabilisation. Also some good lenses.
Con - reduced battery life - not as good as focus tracking as my DSLR - about 1 stop noiser at higher ISO values.

Olympus OMD E-M5II and Canon 70D


My D7200 has histograms on my screen and they stay there if I want them to for every shot.

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Oct 20, 2019 08:28:06   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
smussler wrote:
I'm confused, my Nikon D5600 takes pictures when touching the screen in live view. Or are you saying Mirror-less cameras do not have that feature.
This is my first DSLR. I used inexpensive point and shoot digital cameras for the past 10 years or so.
In the film days I used Minolta SLR's. Missed the SLR capabilities, so when my latest digital camera crapped out, I decided to bit the bullet and get a DSLR. I'm loving it - especially the ability to change ISO on the fly. Shoot aperture priority most of the time.
And, that touch the screen to focus and shoot I found annoying. First setting I changed from factory settings, that and setting the camera to back-button focusing.
I'm confused, my Nikon D5600 takes pictures when t... (show quote)


For a DSLR, that Live View is the 'live' sensor data routed to the camera's rear LCD. The mirror is lifted and held up in this 'special' DSLR configuration. You can zoom into the focus details. For a mirrorless camera, that same display on the LCD exists. But, that same Live View presentation also exists in the camera's electronic view finder EVF, always, including the 10x zoom, histogram display and other configurable information. For many mirrorless cameras, this function requires no special configuration. Hold the camera to your eye, and the EVF displays the data. Lower the camera from the eye, and the rear LCD displays the data. No buttons, no delay, all automatic.

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Oct 20, 2019 09:03:14   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
My D7200 has histograms on my screen and they stay there if I want them to for every shot.


Same with my Sony a9. And, as a matter of fact, while looking through my viewfinder and adjusting the exposure compensation, I can watch my histogram move, so I can in real time adjust my photo to my liking and see if the histogram concurs.

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Oct 20, 2019 09:04:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
My D7200 has histograms on my screen and they stay there if I want them to for every shot.


How about in your viewfinder?

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Oct 20, 2019 09:07:53   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Collhar wrote:
... I don't know much about trader john...
Do any of us ever really know the man we married?

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Oct 20, 2019 09:22:55   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Shel B wrote:
I'd just like some opinion from those who have shot both mirror and mirrorless cameras. Pros and cons of each. Thanks.


The only disadvantage for mirror-less I have experienced is ergonomics compared to DSLRs. And after some time you get accustomed to the new camera and that advantage disappears.

I have shot with Fujifilm, Nikon, Canon, Olympus and Panasonic and Sony...M4/3, APS-C and FF over a span of 16 years.

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Oct 20, 2019 09:58:31   #
bleirer
 
smussler wrote:
I'm confused, my Nikon D5600 takes pictures when touching the screen in live view. Or are you saying Mirror-less cameras do not have that feature.
This is my first DSLR. I used inexpensive point and shoot digital cameras for the past 10 years or so.
In the film days I used Minolta SLR's. Missed the SLR capabilities, so when my latest digital camera crapped out, I decided to bit the bullet and get a DSLR. I'm loving it - especially the ability to change ISO on the fly. Shoot aperture priority most of the time.
And, that touch the screen to focus and shoot I found annoying. First setting I changed from factory settings, that and setting the camera to back-button focusing.
I'm confused, my Nikon D5600 takes pictures when t... (show quote)


I guess mirrorless cameras are always live view. In the DSLR live view opens the shutter and reads the photosites and displays a jpeg equivelent to the led screen. Mirrorless does that too, but it also sends that view to the to the viewfinder. So you are right live view and mirrorless are the same or similar in that way.

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Oct 20, 2019 10:03:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
bleirer wrote:
I guess mirrorless cameras are always live view. In the DSLR live view opens the shutter and reads the photosites and displays a jpeg equivelent to the led screen. Mirrorless does that too, but it also sends that view to the to the viewfinder. So you are right live view and mirrorless are the same or similar in that way.


It’s a live image, video, not a jpeg.

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Oct 20, 2019 11:01:51   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Do any of us ever really know the man we married?


Or the women.

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Oct 20, 2019 11:19:52   #
bleirer
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
It’s a live image, video, not a jpeg.


Sure but the preview in the evf is a simulation based on the jpeg curve and settings not the raw. Each photosite records only red or green or blue, but the view has to be interpolated for us to see something that looks like an image.

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Oct 20, 2019 11:28:00   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Collhar wrote:
Or the women.
Traderjohn is female? 🤔

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Oct 20, 2019 11:42:36   #
Collhar Loc: New York City.
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Traderjohn is female? 🤔


You lead a lonely life.

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