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Oct 19, 2019 12:20:56   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
What would your mother think if you told her you edit in 8-bit?


She would wonder why I'm not using the modern terminology i.e. "one dollar". (two bits=25 cents; four bits=50 cents; six bits=75 cents and eight bits=$1.00) She would not know much if not anything about the other "bits". LOL - I guess that is why you posed the question about bits.

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Oct 19, 2019 12:26:40   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
jradose wrote:
I will probably start a range war here, but, I think the phrase "I don't like my camera making decisions for me" is so overused. I contend, unless you are shooting creatively, the camera is, in fact, making decisions for you. The purists always say, I shoot manual mode because I want to be in control of my camera. So, you set shutter speed, you set the aperture, you set the iso, but then, you check the exposure meter. If the little slider line is not in the middle (for proper exposure), you then adjust one or more of the three (shutter speed, aperture, iso) To get WHAT THE CAMERA SAYS is proper exposure. So, as I said, unless you are shooting for creative effects, and ignore the exposure meter on your camera, that camera is making decisions for you. What say you?
I will probably start a range war here, but, I thi... (show quote)


You're wrong. The meter is but a guide. Yes, I look at it and then I might change settings + or - to get a desired exposure.

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Oct 19, 2019 12:38:50   #
greenwork Loc: Southwest Florida
 
Those folks at the manufactures workrooms have more compiled knowledge stuffed into their cameras than any of us can hold a candle to. I think it is foolish to not take advantage of it and then adjust to suit.

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Oct 19, 2019 12:47:34   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
My in-viewfinder meter allows me to directly set exposure either direction from what it assesses as "correct" exposure without pushing any buttons or selecting any special function. Every camera I own works this way. It displays fractional f-stops in each direction. All I have to do is turn either the shutter speed or aperture control dials to make adjustments painlessly and essentially immediately. No EC is necessary (but it is available if I should choose to use it for some reason.

Oh...by the way...concerning comments made in several threads around exposure compensation in full "Manual" mode with fixed ISO not being available...I found this almost impossible to believe, so began checking some manuals online. Sure enough, on page 83 of the EOS20D manual is the statement that EC is not available in Manual mode. Same for the EOS70D. Same for the EOS80D. The EOS90D does allow Exposure Compensation to be set in Manual mode. But again...even for the models that do not offer EC in Manual, the in-viewfinder meter displays exposure three stops either side of "0" and even displays the result in 1/3 stop increments, allowing on-the-fly compensation.

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Oct 19, 2019 13:08:47   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
larryepage wrote:
My in-viewfinder meter allows me to directly set exposure either direction from what it assesses as "correct" exposure without pushing any buttons or selecting any special function. Every camera I own works this way. It displays fractional f-stops in each direction. All I have to do is turn either the shutter speed or aperture control dials to make adjustments painlessly and essentially immediately. No EC is necessary (but it is available if I should choose to use it for some reason.

Oh...by the way...concerning comments made in several threads around exposure compensation in full "Manual" mode with fixed ISO not being available...I found this almost impossible to believe, so began checking some manuals online. Sure enough, on page 83 of the EOS20D manual is the statement that EC is not available in Manual mode.
My in-viewfinder meter allows me to directly set e... (show quote)


EC w/ AUTO ISO in Manual is a new feature of Canon's newest EOS releases, the EOS 90D and EOS 5DIV are two recent examples.

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Oct 19, 2019 13:54:08   #
PhotosBySteve
 
jradose wrote:
I will probably start a range war here, but, I think the phrase "I don't like my camera making decisions for me" is so overused. I contend, unless you are shooting creatively, the camera is, in fact, making decisions for you. The purists always say, I shoot manual mode because I want to be in control of my camera. So, you set shutter speed, you set the aperture, you set the iso, but then, you check the exposure meter. If the little slider line is not in the middle (for proper exposure), you then adjust one or more of the three (shutter speed, aperture, iso) To get WHAT THE CAMERA SAYS is proper exposure. So, as I said, unless you are shooting for creative effects, and ignore the exposure meter on your camera, that camera is making decisions for you. What say you?
I will probably start a range war here, but, I thi... (show quote)


I would say, you are entitled to your opinion and you apparently do not fully understand how to shoot manual mode.

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Oct 19, 2019 13:55:16   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
It's the results that count.

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Oct 19, 2019 13:59:29   #
JohnR Loc: The Gates of Hell
 
jradose wrote:
I will probably start a range war here, but, I think the phrase "I don't like my camera making decisions for me" is so overused. I contend, unless you are shooting creatively, the camera is, in fact, making decisions for you. The purists always say, I shoot manual mode because I want to be in control of my camera. So, you set shutter speed, you set the aperture, you set the iso, but then, you check the exposure meter. If the little slider line is not in the middle (for proper exposure), you then adjust one or more of the three (shutter speed, aperture, iso) To get WHAT THE CAMERA SAYS is proper exposure. So, as I said, unless you are shooting for creative effects, and ignore the exposure meter on your camera, that camera is making decisions for you. What say you?
I will probably start a range war here, but, I thi... (show quote)


I think its a perceived status thing - like those that state "I only shoot RAW" and/or "I'm a film kind of guy" and/or "I only do B&W" They like to think it sets them apart (above?) the common crowd that shoot jpeg on Auto BTW I'm not sure that it doesn't

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Oct 19, 2019 14:04:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jradose wrote:
I will probably start a range war here, but, I think the phrase "I don't like my camera making decisions for me" is so overused. I contend, unless you are shooting creatively, the camera is, in fact, making decisions for you. The purists always say, I shoot manual mode because I want to be in control of my camera. So, you set shutter speed, you set the aperture, you set the iso, but then, you check the exposure meter. If the little slider line is not in the middle (for proper exposure), you then adjust one or more of the three (shutter speed, aperture, iso) To get WHAT THE CAMERA SAYS is proper exposure. So, as I said, unless you are shooting for creative effects, and ignore the exposure meter on your camera, that camera is making decisions for you. What say you?
I will probably start a range war here, but, I thi... (show quote)


Click bait.

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Oct 19, 2019 14:07:39   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
burkphoto wrote:
Click bait.



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Oct 19, 2019 14:09:22   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
jradose wrote:
I will probably start a range war here, but, I think the phrase "I don't like my camera making decisions for me" is so overused. I contend, unless you are shooting creatively, the camera is, in fact, making decisions for you. The purists always say, I shoot manual mode because I want to be in control of my camera. So, you set shutter speed, you set the aperture, you set the iso, but then, you check the exposure meter. If the little slider line is not in the middle (for proper exposure), you then adjust one or more of the three (shutter speed, aperture, iso) To get WHAT THE CAMERA SAYS is proper exposure. So, as I said, unless you are shooting for creative effects, and ignore the exposure meter on your camera, that camera is making decisions for you. What say you?
I will probably start a range war here, but, I thi... (show quote)


And if you used a separate handheld light meter with an all-manual camera, as in the days of old, IT would be making decisions for you. Same for the Sunny 16 Rule.

There's always SOMETHING helping you decide what to do!

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Oct 19, 2019 14:16:36   #
tonyantony
 
canon powershot sd0is99



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Oct 19, 2019 14:27:07   #
nadelewitz Loc: Ithaca NY
 
burkphoto wrote:
Click bait.


Stick-in-the-mud.

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Oct 19, 2019 15:22:25   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Stick-in-the-mud.


Naw, just not taking the bait today. This topic is a flogged dead horse.

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Oct 19, 2019 15:22:26   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
You're wrong. The meter is but a guide. Yes, I look at it and then I might change settings + or - to get a desired exposure.


Yes - my GX8 has an EC dial which covers from 0 to +/- 3 stops. My EVF and monitor will then instantly show the result of any EC adjustment, which takes away the guess work before pressing the button and takes away the need to chimp.

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