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Canon 100-400. Type I or II?
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Oct 16, 2019 21:29:40   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
imagemeister wrote:
You can see my testing here - https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-559479-1.html

The IS is better on the II - IF - you are shooting stationary subjects with lower shutter speeds. The CLOSE focus is better on the II -IF- you like doing CLOSE-ups. The II works better with the Canon 1.4X extenders -IF- you like being @560mm .
The version I works faster (push-pull zooming) which is especially helpful for finding your target (BIF). But, also because of the push pull, the I needs more cleaning and maintenance to operate optimally.
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You can see my testing here - https://www.uglyhedg... (show quote)


A question about the push pull aspect of the type I .
Does it creep out. My sigma, which it a turn to go out or in, will creep out unless locked down at 120.

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Oct 16, 2019 22:11:02   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
WDCash wrote:
A question about the push pull aspect of the type I .
Does it creep out. My sigma, which it a turn to go out or in, will creep out unless locked down at 120.


There is a variable friction ring (like a focusing ring) on the MK I, so you can set it not to creep when you hold it vertically, but if too tight, it can slow zooming. Btw, if you choose “quote reply” to the specific post (rather than “quick reply”) we’ll know who you are replying to

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Oct 16, 2019 22:42:36   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
TriX wrote:
There is a variable friction ring (like a focusing ring) on the MK I, so you can set it not to creep when you hold it vertically, but if too tight, it can slow zooming. Btw, if you choose “quote reply” to the specific post (rather than “quick reply”) we’ll know who you are replying to


Thanks.
I thought I had mastered that. Thanks also re the friction ring

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Oct 16, 2019 22:43:56   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
WDCash wrote:
Thanks.
I thought I had mastered that. Thanks also re the friction ring


That "friction ring" is also on the Mark II.

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Oct 17, 2019 06:05:29   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Haydon wrote:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/02/canon-100-400-is-l-mk-ii-teardown-best-built-lens-ever/


Anyone who thinks this lens is overpriced should look at this article. It is amazing how complex and how well engineered these lenses are.

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Oct 17, 2019 06:36:58   #
ncribble Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
Haydon, Thank you that is the most impressive resource on lens I've seen. We love our different lens but never imagine or give credit for what is inside. Amazing.
Gracias Amigo..

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Oct 17, 2019 07:42:10   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
WDCash wrote:
I would love to be able to just whip out the checkbook and order the latest and greatest. But life is very good and patients is still a virtue.

I am considering the purchase of a common 100-400 4-5.6 type I or II. Obviously type II should be improved over the type I or there would not be a type II. I understand the AF was improved, I'm guessing a good deal improved.

So while I'm waiting for the expendable cash bucket to fill a bit more I am wondering if the more experienced gaming us would care to offer some thoughts on the +s and -s of the choice.
The cost of one over the other, depending on who has it for or sale can be significant. I realize you get what you pay for, no free lunch, etc. etc.. So I want to avoid if possible, making a purchase and wondering later about my discussion.

I am primarily considering just the 100-400 canon BUT those Sigma and Tameron 150-600 s do seem worth adding to the discussion tree as well.

I shoot wildlife 90% or more of the time , very often from a bot but winter is rushing at us. A lot is hand held with my added surgical grip but I am working more and more with the tripod when ashore.

And, my only camera for now is a Canon t3i (cropped sensor) already slow on autofocus lock.

Thanks
Bill
I would love to be able to just whip out the check... (show quote)


I have not owned the Mark I, I have the Mark II.
Before buying the Canon lens I rented both the Tamron and Sigma versions. This was in January of 2019. I ended up buying the Sigma. With the units I had, the Sigma was the better choice. In April of 2019 I bought the Canon Mark II and haven't used my sigma since.

IMHO, the Canon 100-400 Mark II is an amazing lens. The Sigma is really good, the Canon is Amazing.

My $0.02 worth.

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Oct 17, 2019 07:46:59   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
WDCash wrote:
I would love to be able to just whip out the checkbook and order the latest and greatest. But life is very good and patients is still a virtue.

I am considering the purchase of a common 100-400 4-5.6 type I or II. Obviously type II should be improved over the type I or there would not be a type II. I understand the AF was improved, I'm guessing a good deal improved.

So while I'm waiting for the expendable cash bucket to fill a bit more I am wondering if the more experienced gaming us would care to offer some thoughts on the +s and -s of the choice.
The cost of one over the other, depending on who has it for or sale can be significant. I realize you get what you pay for, no free lunch, etc. etc.. So I want to avoid if possible, making a purchase and wondering later about my discussion.

I am primarily considering just the 100-400 canon BUT those Sigma and Tameron 150-600 s do seem worth adding to the discussion tree as well.

I shoot wildlife 90% or more of the time , very often from a bot but winter is rushing at us. A lot is hand held with my added surgical grip but I am working more and more with the tripod when ashore.

And, my only camera for now is a Canon t3i (cropped sensor) already slow on autofocus lock.

Thanks
Bill
I would love to be able to just whip out the check... (show quote)


Deffinitely the II version of it. And save for the 1.4 III extender as well.......one of Canon's best combinations for wild life portraits. I love mine !!!!

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Oct 17, 2019 07:53:04   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Blair Shaw Jr wrote:
Deffinitely the II version of it. And save for the 1.4 III extender as well.......one of Canon's best combinations for wild life portraits. I love mine !!!!


The 1.4x extender is not relevant until our OP has an EOS body that retains auto focus with this equipment.

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Oct 17, 2019 08:44:05   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
I have the II. A friend has the I. I have never shot with the I but my friend has used my II and has been impressed with the results compared to his I. He's far more experienced and capable then I am. If he says that the II's IQ is better then it is. I have also read statements by people who have switched from the I to the II. Not one has complained, as I recall. On my EOS R, even with the 2xIII extender, the results are outstanding.

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Oct 17, 2019 08:52:34   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
I have used both versions of these lens currently for sale. I am currently talking to one individual about the sale of version I, but the other is definitely available. If you have any interest, please shoot me a private message and I can provide relative information. They are both great lenses capable of producing really nice images.

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Oct 17, 2019 09:10:37   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
WDCash wrote:
I would love to be able to just whip out the checkbook and order the latest and greatest. But life is very good and patients is still a virtue.

I am considering the purchase of a common 100-400 4-5.6 type I or II. Obviously type II should be improved over the type I or there would not be a type II. I understand the AF was improved, I'm guessing a good deal improved.

So while I'm waiting for the expendable cash bucket to fill a bit more I am wondering if the more experienced gaming us would care to offer some thoughts on the +s and -s of the choice.
The cost of one over the other, depending on who has it for or sale can be significant. I realize you get what you pay for, no free lunch, etc. etc.. So I want to avoid if possible, making a purchase and wondering later about my discussion.

I am primarily considering just the 100-400 canon BUT those Sigma and Tameron 150-600 s do seem worth adding to the discussion tree as well.

I shoot wildlife 90% or more of the time , very often from a bot but winter is rushing at us. A lot is hand held with my added surgical grip but I am working more and more with the tripod when ashore.

And, my only camera for now is a Canon t3i (cropped sensor) already slow on autofocus lock.

Thanks
Bill
I would love to be able to just whip out the check... (show quote)


I shoot in Florida Everglades daily. I have had many friends who are Canon shooters switch from I to II. They have ALL said the II is better, MUCH better.

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Oct 17, 2019 09:15:34   #
banster Loc: PA, Ontario, N.C.,Key West
 
I have a 70-200 Mk ll f/2.8 on a 7D Mk ll and shots some incredible pictures. Added the 100-400 Mkll, now I have a problem deciding which to use. The 70-200 can add some great brokin. I borrowed a 5D Mk lV from CPS and after trying it with both lens, I sent it back. Bought another 7D Mk ll. So now I have each lens mounted and ready to go. Use mostly for wildlife and friends pets. Each lens has its own purpose. The following picture was with the 100-400 at about 10 feet. Our one cat.



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Oct 17, 2019 09:16:16   #
Blair Shaw Jr Loc: Dunnellon,Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The 1.4x extender is not relevant until our OP has an EOS body that retains auto focus with this equipment.


Point well taken.....I forgot about his T3i and I'm on a 6D ....2 different animals . I haven't tried that glass on my T3 and it would almost certainly be a Manual-Focus-Maneuver and I simply go manual when auto doesn't function. Sorry.

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Oct 17, 2019 10:08:24   #
WDCash Loc: Milford, Delaware, USA
 
Haydon wrote:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2015/02/canon-100-400-is-l-mk-ii-teardown-best-built-lens-ever/


Haydon.
Thanka for posting the link. This is a great and interesting read. Also based on the.link I found my way to Lens Authority, who is the resale outlet for Lens Rental. Some very interesting deals there.
For example the Canon 100-400 II prixea used start at $1330 with a try it policy, warranty and an extended warranty 2 years for only $25.

More info and.optuons, all good.
Thanks

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