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Oct 8, 2019 17:33:19   #
emkay08
 
Gene51 wrote:
Without the distraction of that 60% your efforts are better focused on the more meaningful remaining 40%



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Oct 8, 2019 17:43:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Scruples wrote:
This can be verywrong if said by the wrong person. Be extremely careful where you point your..... lens!

O-kay.

(Am I allowed to say that still?)

"Thumbs Up. In Iran, Greece, Russia, Sardinia, and parts of West Africa the thumbs up is as rude as the middle finger is in the UK."

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Oct 8, 2019 18:24:48   #
SparkyCVA59
 
I have a question regarding manual focus nikkors: 28mm f3.5, 50mm f1.4 and 105mm f2.5 that I had converted for use on my D200. What is your take on this. I truly enjoy these lenses. Also a salesman at my local store said something about these lenses not being suitable for digital ff sensors. Curious.

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Oct 8, 2019 18:40:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
SparkyCVA59 wrote:
I have a question regarding manual focus nikkors: 28mm f3.5, 50mm f1.4 and 105mm f2.5 that I had converted for use on my D200. What is your take on this. I truly enjoy these lenses. Also a salesman at my local store said something about these lenses not being suitable for digital ff sensors. Curious.


We'd have to know more about how these lenses were modified to work on your D200. Do they auto-focus? Do they report the aperture to the camera? Can the camera control the aperture on the lens? Does the lens provide a focus confirmation?

Isn't your D200 a 10MP digital Nikon camera with a cropped format sensor? The lenses were originally full-frame lenses. I can't image how they don't remain FF lenses, but your details about the modifications might help my imagination.

You can just as easily take one / all the modified lenses down to the local store and confirm / disprove with the salesman.

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Oct 8, 2019 19:24:24   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
SparkyCVA59 wrote:
I have a question regarding manual focus nikkors: 28mm f3.5, 50mm f1.4 and 105mm f2.5 that I had converted for use on my D200. What is your take on this. I truly enjoy these lenses. Also a salesman at my local store said something about these lenses not being suitable for digital ff sensors. Curious.

See the camera manual under “Compatible Lenses.”

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Oct 8, 2019 19:42:54   #
SparkyCVA59
 
They do not auto focus and they report the aperture to the camera. They also show focus conformation. They work with aperture priority and manual modes. They all have aperture rings also.

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Oct 8, 2019 19:47:31   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Scruples wrote:
When I was in school, my teacher said the camera does 1% of the work. The remaining 99% of the work is done by the nut in the viewfinder.


When you watch the baseball playoffs, remember that the bat does 1% of the work and the batter 99% of the work. However, they DO use the best bats available. Best wood, thin handles. Believe me, the wood in those bats is totally different than what you and I can buy at the sporting goods store.

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Oct 8, 2019 20:13:31   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
repleo wrote:
Yes, a FF lens on a crop sensor should have better edge-to-edge sharpness than on a FF body. However a couple of things to think about with your 'future proof ' strategy.
1. How important is edge-to-edge sharpness for what you shoot?
2. How realistic is your potential move to FF?
3. If you buy the focal lenses you need for your crop camera, they will probably not be the focal lenses you will want for your potential FF.
2. Some mediocre FF lenses may perform on your crop as good as a high quality crop lens for around the same price. However, there is not much point in going to FF unless you have top quality FF lenses. If you buy the top quality lenses now, you will be paying for edge-to-edge performance you won't benefit from on your crop camera.
3. Consider the extra weight and bulk of high quality FF lenses. That extra weight can sap the fun and spontaneity out of a walk or trip.
Yes, a FF lens on a crop sensor should have better... (show quote)


What would be the difference between a mediocre FF lens vs a top quality FF lens?

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Oct 8, 2019 20:28:37   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
ronpier wrote:
What would be the difference between a mediocre FF lens vs a top quality FF lens?


Mostly, wide open and edge performance ...

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Oct 8, 2019 20:43:17   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
SparkyCVA59 wrote:
They do not auto focus and they report the aperture to the camera. They also show focus conformation. They work with aperture priority and manual modes. They all have aperture rings also.


They should behave the same on any F-mount DSLR. It's easy enough to confirm with an actual camera. Check for a vignette when mounted to a FF body would be my next concern to verify.

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Oct 9, 2019 00:47:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
chippy65 wrote:
As the performance of camera lenses falls away when you examine the edge of the picture, does a full frame lens ( FX DG etc ) on a camera body

which has a cropped sensor perform better than when mounted on a full frame sensor body? In the case of the cropped frame camera body

does the fact that the edge of the image falls outside the sensor improve the performance.? Complicated I know by the apparent change

in focal length............... More expensive lenses I know, but also worth thinking about "future proofing" in the event of going full frame.
As the performance of camera lenses falls away whe... (show quote)


Why don’t you just test and find out?

Yes, the edge-to-edge *consistency* is better when full frame lenses are used on APS-C bodies. But overall MTF performance can be (often is) lower, due to other factors.

Examine lens test reports on DPReview to compare the same lens on a D5 and D500. It performs differently.

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Oct 9, 2019 05:43:10   #
BebuLamar
 
burkphoto wrote:
Why don’t you just test and find out?

Yes, the edge-to-edge *consistency* is better when full frame lenses are used on APS-C bodies. But overall MTF performance can be (often is) lower, due to other factors.

Examine lens test reports on DPReview to compare the same lens on a D5 and D500. It performs differently.



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Oct 9, 2019 14:06:30   #
duane klipping Loc: Bristow iowa
 
chippy65 wrote:
As the performance of camera lenses falls away when you examine the edge of the picture, does a full frame lens ( FX DG etc ) on a camera body

which has a cropped sensor perform better than when mounted on a full frame sensor body? In the case of the cropped frame camera body

does the fact that the edge of the image falls outside the sensor improve the performance.? Complicated I know by the apparent change

in focal length............... More expensive lenses I know, but also worth thinking about "future proofing" in the event of going full frame.
As the performance of camera lenses falls away whe... (show quote)


If you are concerned about the edges of an image then there is something wrong with the composition. Too many get hung up on pixel peeping at 100%. You do not want people focusing on the edge of an image and images are usually not viewed at 100%. My guess is if printed most people would not even notice.

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Oct 9, 2019 14:08:54   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you don't love your camera, who will love your photography?

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Oct 15, 2019 15:43:41   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
The short answer is FX lenses do produce sharper edge to edge images on DX bodies. One interesting observation is that we see many images posted on UHH that involve the use of the vignette to concentrate attention on the the prime subject. Hence, is absolute edge to edge sharpness a criteria for many users? Just sayin'.

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