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Oct 5, 2019 12:53:28   #
worldcycle Loc: Stateline, Nevada
 
Small Steps? Dude! That is like learning a new language at one basic lesson every month. Total immersion is the only way. GET OUT THERE AND SHOOT. That's the only way you will really learn something new. Especially if you are an old dog like me.

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Oct 5, 2019 17:53:01   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Have you used the Sony glass your gonna purchase yet? If not, rent first. Just a thought. I would sign off with have fun but it sound like you are already.

Tom

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Oct 5, 2019 19:06:45   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
tcthome wrote:
Have you used the Sony glass your gonna purchase yet? If not, rent first. Just a thought. I would sign off with have fun but it sound like you are already.

Tom


Yes, that is good advice. But at this moment all Sony 200-600 lenses are out of stock. That is the lens I am going to start with anyway. I have just enough to get the A9 and that lens. I am only using the A9 for wildlife photography,so I will only be using long lenses. The 100-400 is great but not long enough with the FF A9.
I have talked to a Sony rep.and of course he talked the 200-600 up. It has the same guts as the newer 400 2.8 and 600 f4. Sony has done a masterful job redesigning the focusing rails on the inside of those three lenses. And the weight savings is very significant. The 200-600 is a little over a pound lighter than my current 200-500 Nikon.
One of the big reasons I am considering a switch is because of the optic weight. The Sony 400 2.8 and 600 4 are both within my hand holding limits. I love shooting the big boys and I haven't been able to with the weight of the Nikon big's.
I shoot almost exclusively in Florida wetlands where using a mono pod or tripod actually degrades your chances of getting the "SHOT". So weight is very important to me.
Thanks again for your incite. And I will hopefully start posting comparisons in January if my heath allows. Right now every thing is good but at 70 you take it a day at a time.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

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Oct 5, 2019 20:20:04   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
billnikon wrote:
Plus, NO MORE FINE TUNING.


If I remember correctly, you have said ALL your lenses are "perfect" and NEVER needed fine tuning anyway !
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Oct 5, 2019 20:33:21   #
Alan1729 Loc: England UK, now New York State.
 
My first system was Canon FD, a bunch of different bodies and an almost complete range of lenses. I was so pissed when Canon didn't take any considderation of there existing users. I spent thousands so I swore never to buy Canon ever again. When 4/3 came along I tried Lumix, it was OK but migrated to Olympus, the OMD EM5 and then the OMD EM 1.2 have more lenses than I realy need and they are all good. Use some of the Canon lenses on occasion too. Then Sony had a sale on their A7 and later on The A7R2 with an adapter I could now use all my Canon lenses mirror-less. Almost gives my back my old system. The Olympus will be my main system it is so much better all around and much lighter. You can use two systems happily, hell why not more if you like and can afford it. You may find you use one more than the other or one system for some things and the other for other things. I do. There are no hard and fast rules its your choice, make the best of it, have fun.

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Oct 6, 2019 05:20:20   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
imagemeister wrote:
If I remember correctly, you have said ALL your lenses are "perfect" and NEVER needed fine tuning anyway !
.


Yes, I did say that. All of my Nikon lenses NEVER needed fine tuning. And with Sony, the same will be true. Isn't life grand.

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Oct 6, 2019 06:03:52   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Mac wrote:
Are you going to change your name?


How 'bout BillSonyformerlyNikon?

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Oct 6, 2019 06:10:39   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
billnikon wrote:
Good advice. That is why I am keeping all the Nikon gear for now. I shoot a lot of wildlife and am interested in how the A9 will preform with the 200-600 as compared to my current Nikon D850, D500 and the Nikon 200-500 and Nikon 500 5.6. I will be shooting each extensively this winter in Florida.
I plan to shoot a different one each day in the same environment.
One of the big advantages of mirrorless is the fact you do not have to fine tune a lens. Many experts on Nikon and Nikon itself caution fine tuning a lens on a DSLR. Why? Because, contrary to others OPINIONS, these experts on Nikon say you can only fine turn for one distance, the distance you fine turn the lens for. Others will argue that once a lens is fine tuned, it is fine tuned for all distances. Physics just disproves that rumor all together.
Anyway, all the arguments become null and void with mirrorless. No longer will one have to fine tune. I shoot wide open to blur the background on my wildlife shots, so I am anxious to see the results from the mirrorless A9.
I am also interested to see how the metering systems compare.
Like I have stated before, I have had Sony mirrorless before and used both systems together. So, I will be doing so again. I would not be surprised if I do not end up using both systems together again.
Using each what each excels at.
Anyway, I tend to go on and on. But, I will be posting comparison's this coming winter. I will probably start posting in January some of the primary results and observations about the comparison's between the mirrorless and DSLR.
Thanks for your post. And keep on shooting until the end.
Good advice. That is why I am keeping all the Niko... (show quote)


Bill....You bring up a subject that brings up a real question for me. I have a Nikon 70-200mm lens that obviously needs fine tuning. As much as I paid for it I haven't used it much because of that fact. You're saying if I have it fine tuned that will not fine tune it for all distances. So how will that help me? Does it just mean it's a defective lens?

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Oct 6, 2019 07:30:02   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
SteveR wrote:
How 'bout BillSonyformerlyNikon?



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Oct 6, 2019 07:33:53   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
SteveR wrote:
Bill....You bring up a subject that brings up a real question for me. I have a Nikon 70-200mm lens that obviously needs fine tuning. As much as I paid for it I haven't used it much because of that fact. You're saying if I have it fine tuned that will not fine tune it for all distances. So how will that help me? Does it just mean it's a defective lens?


You really need a professional look at you camera and lens. Nikon will do that for you.you can send it in to them, call them ahead of time. I have never had a 70-200 that was not tack sharp. And I have owned most versions of that lens.

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Oct 6, 2019 08:01:41   #
SonyBug
 
billnikon wrote:
I am going to get started on mirrorless AGAIN. Just purchased a used, under 4000 clicks, Sony A9 with grip for around 2 bills. I think I am going to match that with the new Sony 200-600 and compare that to my D850 with the 200-500. If the results are favorable I will start the slow transition to Mirrorless.
After much contemplation, I believe Sony's focusing system is that much better than Nikon's especially in mirrorless.
So, I will go one step at a time and continue to compare results. And I will share them here. If the results are good, I may add the 400 2.8 or the new 600 4.
OK, I am also looking for a general purpose G lens. Open for suggestions.
I am going to get started on mirrorless AGAIN. Jus... (show quote)


2 Bills, or 2 Grand. I changed and have an a7III. Maybe the IQ is not exactly as good as a Nikon d850, with more pixels, but it has other advantages. I only have 2 lenses that I carry and a RX100 VII as a sidekick. So my advantage is much lower cost for the same effect in photos I took with Nikon gear. Good luck with your testing and I await your results.

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Oct 6, 2019 08:12:59   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
nikonbug wrote:
2 Bills, or 2 Grand. I changed and have an a7III. Maybe the IQ is not exactly as good as a Nikon d850, with more pixels, but it has other advantages. I only have 2 lenses that I carry and a RX100 VII as a sidekick. So my advantage is much lower cost for the same effect in photos I took with Nikon gear. Good luck with your testing and I await your results.


Also looking at the a7IV. 61 mg but a cropped option of 29 mg. So a 600 f4 could become a field of view at 900 mm at f4 at 29 mp. Now that will make you stand up and notice.

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Oct 6, 2019 09:13:04   #
BebuLamar
 
SteveR wrote:
How 'bout BillSonyformerlyNikon?


Yeah I think that is because he is a man. If he is a woman he can simply change to BillSony.

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Oct 6, 2019 14:40:52   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
billnikon wrote:
Yes, I had the EVF on my Sony A99 and A77II. I shoot a lot in manual and you can see the exposure change as you adjust your settings right in the viewfinder. I shoot a lot of shots at sunrise and sunset using this feature. In fact, I will look for one of those shots. I was deliberately underexposed for effect. Let me see if I can find it.
OK, I actually found it. It is a image of my son and his wife taken at sunset at Cap Cod. Anyway, it would have taken a few minutes to get the exposure right in a DSLR, but I set it up quick with the Sony A77II because I could dial in the sky and get the silhouette I was looking for and at a fast shutter speed to capture the jump.
So, yes, one of the big advantages in mirrorless is seeing the exact exposure in the EVF before you trip the trigger.
And, yes, I know, the horizon is not level. This was the image before PP.
Yes, I had the EVF on my Sony A99 and A77II. I sho... (show quote)


That is a fabulous shot and yes one of the big advantages of Mirrorless is seeing the exposure before you press the shot.

Film - Wait until after processing to see the scene and exposure, bracket the exposure, make notes as necessary for next photo shoot
DSLR - See the results immediately after pressing the shutter, adj as necessary and re-shoot (or bracket exposure)
Mirrorless - See results before you press the shutter, get the exposure you want when pressing the shutter

That is particularly good for scenes that are not 18% gray. Like that fabulous beach shot.

And I'm a dummy and I have been known to have the camera on the wrong WB, but with the EVF I can see the color cast in the viewfinder before I ruin the shot. Or if I want to use WB for creative effect I can see the effect while composing the shot.

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Oct 7, 2019 11:11:34   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
billnikon wrote:
I am going to get started on mirrorless AGAIN. Just purchased a used, under 4000 clicks, Sony A9 with grip for around 2 bills. I think I am going to match that with the new Sony 200-600 and compare that to my D850 with the 200-500. If the results are favorable I will start the slow transition to Mirrorless.
After much contemplation, I believe Sony's focusing system is that much better than Nikon's especially in mirrorless.
So, I will go one step at a time and continue to compare results. And I will share them here. If the results are good, I may add the 400 2.8 or the new 600 4.
OK, I am also looking for a general purpose G lens. Open for suggestions.
I am going to get started on mirrorless AGAIN. Jus... (show quote)


I would be very interested to learn how well the equipment you are planning to buy does when photographing wildlife.

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