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Oct 5, 2019 08:05:19   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Wingpilot wrote:
I don’t see a problem with having both systems. They each have their strong points and weak points, so to speak, and with both systems you have the ability to use each where they are best suited. In the end you may finally decide which one to go with exclusively. Neither is bad, or at least worse than the other. And if you are able to afford both, great, go for it. Have fun comparing and getting to know the new Sony system.

EDIT: I forgot to add, you mentioned comparing the new Sony 200-600 lens to the Nikon 200-500. That’s going to be a tough one. I don’t know anything about the Sony lens, but that Nikon 200-500 is simply a superb lens, sort of a standard for that kind of lens.
I don’t see a problem with having both systems. T... (show quote)


I agree that the 200-500 is one sweet ride. I have done two shows in the past three years and many of the shots taken were taken with that lens. I really like GROUP AUTO FOCUS on the Nikon system. My keep rate with that lens is nearly 98% accurate focus shooting at 10 FPS.
One of the advantages of the A9 is that I can shoot at 20 FPS. Now one may ask is there really an advantage in shooting that fast. And the answer is it depends on what your shooting. For me in wildlife photography, each additional frame I can shoot affords me a greater opportunity to get that ONE MOMENT IN TIME that everything comes together to make a great image.
At 20 fps you are also burning up memory space and also you are subjecting yourself to longer hours going over the shots of the day. Sometimes if you've had a great morning you could end up with hundreds to go over.
Well, it will be an interesting adventure this winter in Florida.
The only negative is that one of my favorite locations, Green Cay, may be closed this winter due to repairs to the centers roof. That will put a strain on close locations but that is one advantage in living in Florida, if one window closes there is always another window that opens.
Anyway, many thanks for you thoughts.

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Oct 5, 2019 08:07:43   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
billnikon wrote:
I am also looking at the a7RIV because it has a cropped option at 29 mp. So their 600 f4 would have a field of view of 900 at f4 at 29 mp. Makes my mouth water.


Not sure what this means. You can always crop to make your mouth water in post processing.

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Oct 5, 2019 08:19:01   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Bill, one of the advantages of the A9, as well as some of the other new editions of Sony’s mirrorless cameras, is that the image you see in the EVF is the image you get. No lag, it’s real time. Used to be that the image you get might not be the one you saw in the viewfinder. Sony’s done some great imaging upgrades for their systems. I just got the RX100 M7, and it also has that feature.


Yes, I had the EVF on my Sony A99 and A77II. I shoot a lot in manual and you can see the exposure change as you adjust your settings right in the viewfinder. I shoot a lot of shots at sunrise and sunset using this feature. In fact, I will look for one of those shots. I was deliberately underexposed for effect. Let me see if I can find it.
OK, I actually found it. It is a image of my son and his wife taken at sunset at Cap Cod. Anyway, it would have taken a few minutes to get the exposure right in a DSLR, but I set it up quick with the Sony A77II because I could dial in the sky and get the silhouette I was looking for and at a fast shutter speed to capture the jump.
So, yes, one of the big advantages in mirrorless is seeing the exact exposure in the EVF before you trip the trigger.
And, yes, I know, the horizon is not level. This was the image before PP.



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Oct 5, 2019 08:23:19   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Gene51 wrote:
Not sure what this means. You can always crop to make your mouth water in post processing.


And yes, cropping in post is an answer. When shooting wildlife the old composition mind comes into play. If I need reach, I would prefer to do it live so my framing feels right at the time I take the shot.
And yes, cropping in post is always there if I need it in PP.
Many thanks for your thoughts.

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Oct 5, 2019 08:35:31   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
billnikon wrote:
I agree that the 200-500 is one sweet ride. I have done two shows in the past three years and many of the shots taken were taken with that lens. I really like GROUP AUTO FOCUS on the Nikon system. My keep rate with that lens is nearly 98% accurate focus shooting at 10 FPS.
One of the advantages of the A9 is that I can shoot at 20 FPS. Now one may ask is there really an advantage in shooting that fast. And the answer is it depends on what your shooting. For me in wildlife photography, each additional frame I can shoot affords me a greater opportunity to get that ONE MOMENT IN TIME that everything comes together to make a great image.
At 20 fps you are also burning up memory space and also you are subjecting yourself to longer hours going over the shots of the day. Sometimes if you've had a great morning you could end up with hundreds to go over.
Well, it will be an interesting adventure this winter in Florida.
The only negative is that one of my favorite locations, Green Cay, may be closed this winter due to repairs to the centers roof. That will put a strain on close locations but that is one advantage in living in Florida, if one window closes there is always another window that opens.
Anyway, many thanks for you thoughts.
I agree that the 200-500 is one sweet ride. I have... (show quote)


You’ll have a good time learning the new camera. I hope the 200-600 is as good as the Nikon 200-500. Sony’s high end lenses enjoy a good reputation. And you just might find another good location to shoot.

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Oct 5, 2019 10:23:28   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Mac wrote:
Are you going to change your name?



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Oct 5, 2019 10:28:15   #
BrentHarder Loc: Southern California
 
billnikon wrote:
Yes, I had the EVF on my Sony A99 and A77II. I shoot a lot in manual and you can see the exposure change as you adjust your settings right in the viewfinder. I shoot a lot of shots at sunrise and sunset using this feature. In fact, I will look for one of those shots. I was deliberately underexposed for effect. Let me see if I can find it.
OK, I actually found it. It is a image of my son and his wife taken at sunset at Cap Cod. Anyway, it would have taken a few minutes to get the exposure right in a DSLR, but I set it up quick with the Sony A77II because I could dial in the sky and get the silhouette I was looking for and at a fast shutter speed to capture the jump.
So, yes, one of the big advantages in mirrorless is seeing the exact exposure in the EVF before you trip the trigger.
And, yes, I know, the horizon is not level. This was the image before PP.
Yes, I had the EVF on my Sony A99 and A77II. I sho... (show quote)


Love 💕 it!

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Oct 5, 2019 10:31:00   #
Michael1079 Loc: Indiana
 
Mac wrote:
Are you going to change your name?



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Oct 5, 2019 10:33:30   #
Canisdirus
 
Captain Kirk used an EVF (main viewing screen).
Rest assured ... it's the future.

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Oct 5, 2019 10:34:25   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Gene51 wrote:
Not sure what this means. You can always crop to make your mouth water in post processing.


The pixel density of DX (aps-c) bodies has traditionally been higher than FX (FF) bodies, which is a big advantage for heavily cropped images. In DX Mode, the 46mp D850 FF, makes 19.4mp images where the D500 is 20.9mp, so the gap is closing. With the a7RIV at 60mp, I believe the pixel density in DX mode will be higher than most DX bodies, so there will no longer be any need for DX camera bodies. It will be interesting to see if anyone comes out with a super high pixel density DX mirrorless camera or if DX bodies will just fade away.

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Oct 5, 2019 10:47:32   #
Cmbtvet Loc: Elmira, NY
 
Nice shot

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Oct 5, 2019 11:06:32   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
billnikon wrote:
I am also looking at the a7RIV because it has a cropped option at 29 mp. So their 600 f4 would have a field of view of 900 at f4 at 29 mp. Makes my mouth water.


But you’re not getting the same photo as with a 900mm lens...

And, since Nikon will eventually equal Sony, why not wait for the Nikon, you can adapt all your other lenses.
Just sayin...

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Oct 5, 2019 11:24:21   #
JDefebaugh
 
You asked for a general purpose lens recommendation for the Sony. I have owned the 24-105 G lens and it is superb. Better IMHO than the Canikon equivalents.

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Oct 5, 2019 11:32:40   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
billnikon wrote:
I am going to get started on mirrorless AGAIN. Just purchased a used, under 4000 clicks, Sony A9 with grip for around 2 bills. I think I am going to match that with the new Sony 200-600 and compare that to my D850 with the 200-500. If the results are favorable I will start the slow transition to Mirrorless.
After much contemplation, I believe Sony's focusing system is that much better than Nikon's especially in mirrorless.
So, I will go one step at a time and continue to compare results. And I will share them here. If the results are good, I may add the 400 2.8 or the new 600 4.
OK, I am also looking for a general purpose G lens. Open for suggestions.
I am going to get started on mirrorless AGAIN. Jus... (show quote)


Hey, Bill. Why jump ship? Nikon is going to make some nice mirrorless next time around. You can use all your classic glass, and you don't have to change your name! And if you can't wait, why Sony? If you really want beautiful images, at least go with a company with photographic bona fides and get a Fuji!

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Oct 5, 2019 11:43:38   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Mac wrote:
Are you going to change your name?


snarkysony and sonysnot have been suggested.

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