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Sep 25, 2019 10:59:11   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
robertjerl wrote:
Don't be sorry. Everyone is a bit different in learning and memory etc - my wife says I started out as a Neanderthal and am now getting to be an old Neanderthal with memory/mental problems.
However I did 35 years in the classroom, it takes a different mind set to keep working with new people who ask the same questions over each year. And often multiple people with the same question in each class period each year. Repeated questions are a fact of life in teaching. If you can't handle it you need to look into another line of work.
amfoto1 is one of our more knowledgeable members here on the UHH and as you noticed can do long detailed analysis of a subject. But he sometimes forgets he is exceptional and others have to repeat stuff to get it or make a decision.

Keep asking questions - it is one of the main ways we learn. Two of the more common little signs of "wisdom" put up by teachers in the Jr and Sr High Schools were I taught were:
There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.
Ignorance is not a crime, but failing to do something about it should be.

In class I put up signs for my students that defined three words as used a lot in school:
Dumb - not very intelligent
Stupid - a way of acting, maybe because you are dumb, but maybe you are acting like you aren't intelligent
Ignorant - You don't know something. Everyone on this Earth is ignorant, it depends on the subject of the moment. And "Ignorant" is curable. We call that cure "learning".
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Sep 25, 2019 11:18:41   #
Cookie223 Loc: New Jersey
 
[quote=Junebugg71]Good morning everybody!! 🌞
Me again....

I am looking to purchase both, a telephoto and a prime lens.  Want to stay in the $300-350 range, total.

Consider looking at used from reputable camera stores. B&H, KEH, Roberts, etc. they all have excellent ratings, and you will have a good chance of getting a great deal. They all have a rating system of the gear they sell. Good luck.

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Sep 25, 2019 11:29:11   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustrating you with the same questions. Since my TBI 30 years ago, I can't understand or retain things as quickly or easily as I used to, and daily, it is getting increasingly worse. I can read and read, but things disappear or get all jumbled up in my head all the time. For example, I know exactly how I want to ask my questions, but they don't necessarily always come out as I intend them to. Obviously something wasn't "clicking" for me mentally, prompting me to ask the same question a different way. Sorry it's frustrating for you, but it's even more frustrating for me!

I wanted to start taking photos again because it allows me a small escape, I end up with something beautiful to look at that I can keep and look back on to remember, and I don't have to constantly think, think, think to try to sort something out inside my head...or at least I thought not, but maybe trying to start over, with a memory deficit, is a mistake on my part.

Before the TBI, I knew the computer and the camera inside and out; not digital, I learned on a Pentax K1000, and the darkroom was one of my favorite places to spend an afternoon.
Now, it's like a foreign language to me and it's VERY discouraging to sit and ask questions I know I already have the answers to, and can't even access them from my memory bank. I'm not trying to make excuses, it just is what it is. Simple as that.

That said, thanks for answering....again....but your snippy remarks really aren't any thing I need. I beat myself up enough without anybody else's help.

Before I leave, however, regarding those repetitive posts....without going into detail at the time, I very specifically ask for patience from the forum.

Regardless, I won't be asking any more questions. 😭
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When you have TBI (traumatic brain injury) it is understood -- no one ventured to guess what was the causes for asking the same photography questions. Now we know and even without TBI some still asks the same questions over and over ---. A teacher goes through this situation at least once a year. This is why I hate anacronyms, not everybody knows the initials but knows the meaning of "Traumatic Brain Injury" when it is spelled out! Bless all teachers and pay them a decent salary!

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Sep 25, 2019 11:37:41   #
DaveJ Loc: NE Missouri
 
Junebug71,
Hang in there. Some get a little excited here on UHH. I sent you a PM, if you don't know how to access them, ask and I'll tell you where to look on the UHH site.
Dave

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Sep 25, 2019 12:32:48   #
dick ranez
 
The 55-250 lens is an excellent lens for the price and teamed with the kit 18-55 should cover most requirements. Before buying a 50mm I would add the 10-18 for wide angle capability, but maybe that's just me.

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Sep 25, 2019 16:56:32   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
dick ranez wrote:
The 55-250 lens is an excellent lens for the price and teamed with the kit 18-55 should cover most requirements. Before buying a 50mm I would add the 10-18 for wide angle capability, but maybe that's just me.


Yes, my first 4 lenses were a Tamron 10-24, Canon 24-105L, Canon 70-300 (forgot just which model # but the high end one) and a Canon 50 f/1.8 first model with metal mounts etc. My bodies were a 6D and 7DII. I added a 100-400L and a Tamron 150-600, then a 14 mm ultra wide. I also have a Tamron 180 macro. Lenses start to whisper "Buy Me" when you go into the store or even browse in a magazine and on line.

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Sep 25, 2019 17:25:40   #
Harry13
 
mwsilvers wrote:
The 55-250- EF-S iS II is not a better lens than the STM version


IMHO, neither one is anything to write home about (and I own an IS one, bought it years ago in a moment of newbie ignorance!). If you want some really good glass, try the 70-200, either the 2.8 or the 4.0. I have the 4.0 and it's a d^mned nice lens. The 70-200 lives on one of my cameras; the 55-250 lives in a drawer. Of course, the 55-250 is probably cheaper, certainly cheaper than the 70-200 f 2.8. And please don't talk to me about that extra 50 mm. If you need more reach, get the 70-300, I like it much better than the 55-250 anyway. I've personally never missed that 15 on the bottom but that 50 on top has to be worth something if you're worried about 50mm.

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Sep 25, 2019 23:18:04   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Harry13 wrote:
IMHO, neither one is anything to write home about (and I own an IS one, bought it years ago in a moment of newbie ignorance!). If you want some really good glass, try the 70-200, either the 2.8 or the 4.0. I have the 4.0 and it's a d^mned nice lens. The 70-200 lives on one of my cameras; the 55-250 lives in a drawer. Of course, the 55-250 is probably cheaper, certainly cheaper than the 70-200 f 2.8. And please don't talk to me about that extra 50 mm. If you need more reach, get the 70-300, I like it much better than the 55-250 anyway. I've personally never missed that 15 on the bottom but that 50 on top has to be worth something if you're worried about 50mm.
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The newer STM version is is significantly better then the preview version and is a very good value for newbies or those on a very tight budget. Of course it can't compare to a Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 L version II, but that lens lens is more than 6 times as expensive as the 55-250 STM. At its price price point the 55-250 STM is a bargain.

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Sep 25, 2019 23:42:04   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
I too have a SL2 and have both a 50mm lens and the 55-250mm

I bought my 55-250mm lens from https://usedphotopro.com a part of Robert Cameras.
like this on https://usedphotopro.com/canon-ef-s-55-250mm-f4-5-6-is-ii-lens-55-250-4-5-6-efs-241436?source=category

and the 50mm lens https://usedphotopro.com/canon-ef-50mm-f1-8-stm-lens-50-1-8-262995?source=category

or you can get them from https://keh.com which I have also bought from - both are excellent vendors and have good return policies.

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Sep 26, 2019 02:25:37   #
Harry13
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Of course it can't compare to a Canon EF 70-200 f/2.8 L version II, but that lens lens is more than 6 times as expensive as the 55-250 STM. At its price price point the 55-250 STM is a bargain.


And the 70-200 f 4. Is that 6x as expensive as well? Or do you think they're comparable? Harry PS As I said, my 55-250 sits quietly in a drawer while my 70-200 f4 sits happily on my 5Dc.

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Sep 26, 2019 02:57:59   #
dwmoar Loc: Oregon, Willamette Valley
 
While it might not be as expensive as the f/2.8 it is still a good bit more expensive then the 55-250 lens is even at used prices. I also see the OP had a budget range and wanted two lenses. Not to mention it is big and heavy lens. Especially when it comes to using a SL2 camera at 1 1/2 times to be exact. I am sure most of us would like to have that "L" glass, it comes down to what you can afford. If you can afford it buy it, if you can't afford you settle on what you can afford. After all for the most of use this is a hobby. I am sure if we were all taking photos for Nat Geo we would all be using "L" glass.

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Sep 26, 2019 03:25:16   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
billnikon wrote:
I am sorry, but this is your third or forth post basically asking the same question over and over again. Please do us all a favor and come up with a new question.


You may wish to show your ignorance and rudeness on the forum, but please do not assume you speak for ALL.

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Sep 26, 2019 08:57:06   #
ballsafire Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
 
robertjerl wrote:
1. go to the canon usa refurbished site, they sell factory certified lenses with the same 1 year warranty as new in box.
2. The kit lens you got (18-55?) fits with the 55-250, but neither are high end, high image quality lenses. They are good but not great. Great costs $$$$ and Pro-Excellent costs $$$$$.
3. the 50 mm you are looking at is not much better but it is faster (in a lens "faster" means it will take images in lower light or at higher shutter speeds in good light) look below and see an f-stop/aperture chart. The bigger the number the smaller the opening and the less light gets to the sensor)
4. the "thread" has nothing to do with mounting on the camera, for your camera any lens with a Canon EF mount and those with an EF-S (has an extra part to prevent it mounting on a Canon full frame camera) Your body is not full frame, it has a smaller sensor called an APS-C and lenses made for it often have a rear element that projects out further-on a FF Canon it can hit the mirror and damage the lens and mirror. But the EF lenses made for FF bodies will fit on your camera and your sensor will only use the center of the image from the lens - usually the highest IQ area of the image circle.
5. the "thread" is the diameter of the screw threads on the front of the lens for mounting filters etc. one of my lenses uses 95 mm.
6. and none of those numbers has anything to do with how "far" a lenses will focus, most can focus out to infinity. there are exceptions, the closest focus distance though varies from lens to lens and lens type, macro (to nikon micro) lenses will focus so close that the subject is life size on the sensor. I have an old VHS Video camera in a box in the garage that focuses so close the front of the lens will hit the subject - I had it happen doing stop motion animation of a small diorama once.
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Great advice robertjeri!!

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Sep 26, 2019 09:25:48   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Harry13 wrote:
And the 70-200 f 4. Is that 6x as expensive as well? Or do you think they're comparable? Harry PS As I said, my 55-250 sits quietly in a drawer while my 70-200 f4 sits happily on my 5Dc.


I also have an EF 70-200 f/4L IS USM which cost $1200. Comparing it to the $300 EFs 55-250 is comparing apples to oranges. At its price point the 55-260 STM is a very decent lens, not stellar, but very decent. My point was that it is not a low quality optic as some have suggested. If used by a skilled photographer, and depending on subject and lighting, it would be difficult for most people to identify the images it produces as those from an entry level lens.

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Sep 26, 2019 12:49:15   #
loperR Loc: Medina ,Ohio
 
LFingar wrote:
One of the purposes of this site is to answer questions about photography. Don't apologize for asking.
f/stop is an aperture designation that indicates the amount of light that a lens allows to reach the sensor in the camera. The higher the number, the less light. The trade off is that lower aperture numbers, although allowing more light, produce less depth of field (DOF). That is the area of the photo that is in focus. For a landscape higher numbers are usually desirable to get as much in focus as possible. That's usually f/8 or higher. For a portrait where you want the person's face to stand out lower numbers are desirable. Lenses of different focal lengths can have the same aperture numbers. It's all in the design of the lens. Primes and some zoom lenses, usually higher priced, have constant aperture such as f/4 or f/2.8, or lower for primes. Many zooms have variable apertures, such as your 18-55 and 55-250. As you zoom out the maximum aperture decreases from f/4 to f/5.6. Understanding aperture can help you get better results with almost any photo.
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