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Sep 24, 2019 12:27:50   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Of course, depending on her requirements and despite the mobility issues, she may want a 50mm fast prime for it shallow depth of field and low light advantages


That's why I like this as an addition to my 18-55 and 55-250. The f1.8 aperture allows for a much shallower DOF, nice for isolating closeup subjects, better in low light. I use the 18-55 for wide-angle, but at 20-24mm setting because the 18mm end isn't as sharp. I use the 18-55 for general shots, too. Works well enough, and I can catch candid shots of my grandkids. The 55-250 gives me more reach on a budget and is sharp. Can't do faraway BIF or wildlife very well with it, though, but it brings things closer. At 55mm or so it does a decent closeup, too at the f4.0 setting. Too far away and it reverts to the f5.6 so you lose that close DOF.

So my set of three gives me more options and more enjoyment than just the original 18-55 at a price I can afford. And the lenses aren't super-heavy, either.

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Sep 24, 2019 12:30:29   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
Thanks I'll read these links.

I guess I just don't understand it though. My 18-55mm f/4-56 and the Canon EF-S 55-250mm IS STM are both f/4-5.6....except mm, these two have the very same aperture numbers.

I mean I obviously get that the 55-250mm focuses at a greater distance, but other than that, with the same aperture #, I don't understand the difference.

Looks like I need Photography For Dummies, and see if that can dumb it down for me. I know y'all have to feel like you're talking in circles with me. I'm sorry. ๐Ÿ˜”
Thanks I'll read these links. br br I guess I j... (show quote)


One of the purposes of this site is to answer questions about photography. Don't apologize for asking.
f/stop is an aperture designation that indicates the amount of light that a lens allows to reach the sensor in the camera. The higher the number, the less light. The trade off is that lower aperture numbers, although allowing more light, produce less depth of field (DOF). That is the area of the photo that is in focus. For a landscape higher numbers are usually desirable to get as much in focus as possible. That's usually f/8 or higher. For a portrait where you want the person's face to stand out lower numbers are desirable. Lenses of different focal lengths can have the same aperture numbers. It's all in the design of the lens. Primes and some zoom lenses, usually higher priced, have constant aperture such as f/4 or f/2.8, or lower for primes. Many zooms have variable apertures, such as your 18-55 and 55-250. As you zoom out the maximum aperture decreases from f/4 to f/5.6. Understanding aperture can help you get better results with almost any photo.

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Sep 24, 2019 13:45:03   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž
Me again....

I am looking to purchase both, a telephoto and a prime lens.ย  Want to stay in the $300-350 range, total.

This is the telephoto I'm looking at on Amazon, but what does "(renewed)" mean??ย  Is that the same as refurbished??ย 

Canon EF-S 55-250mm F4-5.6 is STM Lens for Canon SLR Cameras (Renewed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010FAU86K/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_bAGIDbJXW30VA

This is the prime 50mm f/1.8 I am looking at this one on Amazon.ย 
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_ojGIDbD7SDR05

For the 50mm, reviews states improvements such as metal mount, sturdier barrel and AF/MF switch, larger focus ring, grippy matte finish and STM.ย  However, it also states thread size is 49mm instead of 58mm, which is what my SL2 has.ย 

Now, do all "nifty fifty" lenses have a 49mm thread?ย  Would the 50mm stand alone as an everyday lens without having to pair it with filters/tubes, etc, or would I have to buy even more items dedicated to just this 1 lens, or do they make a 58mm thread for it? If it's on Amazon, I'm just so tired, I'm apparently overlooking it....but If it's a stupid question, and they don't or can't make those number configurations, please go easy on me. I'm the first to admit numbers are NOT even close to being my strong suit.ย  I think that's why I find aperture, shutter speed, and ISO so difficult to grasp. Numbers, numbers, and more numbers...ใ€Šsighใ€‹ I read and YouTube everything I can, trying to "get it", but it just gets overwhelming and my brain turns to mush. ๐Ÿคฏ

Anyway, I digress, but I do have just one more question (for now)....

For someone like me, who's just doing this as a hobby with my daughter, are these lenses ones that will be ok for a long while, without the need to upgrade?

I just want some decent lenses to take nice, crisp pictures for us to have and enjoy; maybe put some in scrapbooks and such for future generations.ย  I'm not looking to file bankruptcy with constant upgrades, become a pro, or be featured in NatGeo or anything. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜

Thanks in advance!
Angee
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž br Me again.... br br... (show quote)



Angee,

How many times are you going to ask the same questions?

You've asked:

"18-55 IS STM (kit lens) vs 75-300 iii telephoto" on Sept. 22.
"What Lens???" on Sept. 23.
"Canon Lens Questions" today, Sept. 24.

The answers haven't changed. They're still the same!

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM "renewed" lens you found on Amazon looks like a really good deal.

In the description Amazon explains exactly what "renewed" means. It's simply a used lens. They don't exactly say who, but someone has inspected it for condition, proper function and, if necessary, cleaned it. They offer a 90 day "store" warranty on it. Amazon will repair or (more likely) replace the lens if it fails during that time period. This is basically the same as buying used from B&H Photo, Adorama, KEH.com and a number of other reputable sources for used gear.

It is different from buying "refurbished" from Canon. "Factory refurbished" from Canon USA have a full 1 year warranty, same as new. Refurbished lenses also may have been used... but may be demo units that saw little real use, were displayed in a store or at a trade show... Might even be brand new items in shelf-worn boxes. Or they could just be returned overstock or back stock in Canon's own distribution network. Of course, it also could be an item that was returned due to a fault, has been repaired by the techs trained and equipped to do so by Canon themselves and using "genuine" Canon parts. In a sense, "refurbished" may even be better than new.... Could very well have gotten more hands-on inspection and individual attention than a brand new item going through a quick quality control check after coming off the assembly line.

Both Canon USA and Amazon (direct) are good about replacing an item or even accepting an outright returned item if you decide you don't want it for some reason within a week or two of purchase.

That "renewed" lens on Amazon looks to be a pretty good deal at $140. That lens sells for $299 new and $240 refurbished.

Your other question in your other post, relates to the filter thread size of lenses.

Your Canon EOS Rebel SL2 is an interchangeable lens camera... The camera itself does not have a filter thread.

The EF-S 18-55mm kit lens that you got with your SL2 has a 58mm filter thread. This is merely the diameter of filter you would need to buy, should you choose too use on on that lens (Note: Circular polarizers are by far the most useful filters for digital photography. Virtually all other filters... and there are dozens of types... are completely unnecessary or only needed for specialized purposes.)

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens you are considering also uses a 58mm filter. In other words, the two lenses can easily share a filter, since you can only use one lens on the camera at a time.

The other lens you ask about, the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM, is smaller. It's a "fast" lens, meaning that it has a larger maximum aperture. It's f/1.8 setting allows in over 4X the light the f/4 of your 18-55mm (at 18mm) or the 55-250mm (at 55mm).... or over 8X the light those other lenses allow in at f/5.6 (18-55mm at 55mm or 55-250mm at 250mm).

This will be good for low light situations. It also will make for nice background blur effects (shallow depth of field), which can be useful for portraits.

The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens uses a smaller 49mm filter. So it will not be able to easily share filters with the other two lenses. The best thing would be to buy the correct size for this lens, if you feel the need for a filter on it. (Portraiture and low light shooting generally don't require any filters.)

There is a way to use oversize filters on lenses... inexpensive "step rings". This is simply a ring that has one size of threads on one side and a different size on the other. To use a 58mm filter on a lens with 49mm filter threads you'd need a 58mm to 49mm step ring. HOWEVER, there's a down side to using step rings. You can't use the standard lens hood with the step ring. And, in my opinion, the lens hood is much more important (they improve images AND physically protect the lens... they also protect the filter from breakage and shade it from the sun, if using a filter). Personally I avoid using step rings for this reason. I just buy the correct size filter for my lenses with different diameters.

The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens on an APS-C camera will act as a short telephoto... ideal for portraiture and a lot of other things.

It's not a "standard" or "normal" lens (neither telephoto nor wide angle), the way a 50mm lens is on "full frame" cameras.

If you are looking for a standard/normal lens, a better choice might be Canon's EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM ($120 refurbished)... which is a "slightly wide normal". This is an especially compact "pancake" lens, too. Canon's EF 28mm f/1.8 USM or Sigma's 30mm f/1.4 lenses are both closer to "normal" lenses when used on a camera like yours... but are also considerably more expensive, bigger and heavier.

All these lenses can serve you well. The only other thing I'd encourage you to do is to by the "matched" lens hood for each of them... and use it! Canon lenses (other than the L-series), don't come with lens hoods. They're sold separately. Your EF-S 18-55mm lens uses "EW-63C" lens hood. The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens uses "ET-63" lens hood. And the 50mm f/1.8 STM lens uses "ES-68" (Note: This lens has a fairly recessed front element, so might not need a lens hood for regular use... though I'd recommend one if planning to use a filter or for better physical protection of the lens.) Canon's OEM hoods typically cost at least $24 apiece. There are third party manufacturers offering "clones" for a lot less. Vello, JCC and others sell similar "dedicated" hoods that probably work just as well, for about 1/3 less or half the price of Canon OEM.

All these lenses can serve you for a long time. They may be all you ever need and are quite capable. The photographer's knowledge and skill are more important than the camera and lens. You might find other things you want to do and may want to add some other lenses in the future. In previous post you asked about doing macro and close-up photography... and to an extent you can do that with the above lenses along with a set of macro extension tubes. However, if you really enjoy it and find yourself doing a lot of macro work, you might eventually want to add a true macro lens. There are a number of those available (Canon themselves make a half dozen or so, including the compact EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM). Or, perhaps you'll decide you want a wider lens to be able to take more panoramic landscape photos or capture expansive building interiors (one option is Canon's relatively inexpensive, but quite good EF-S 10-18mm IS STM lens). Or maybe you will find you need a portable flash... the ones built into cameras are wimpy, in the worst possible place for redeye problems, and draw heavily on the camera's battery.

I would suggest you don't get too many lenses or accessories to start, though. Two or three lenses, tops. Work with them for a while. Find out what you like to do. Then add or change if you need to. Don't overwhelm yourself with too much, too soon! You would be better learning what to use when and how to use it well... and this comes with experience and practice. To speed things up you might want to take a basic class locally or online and buy some books:
https://www.amazon.com/David-Buschs-Canon-Digital-Photography/dp/1681983389/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Exposure-Fourth-Photographs-Camera/dp/1607748509/ref=sr_1_1?

Have fun!

P.S. I'm going to copy this to your other post, too, where you are requesting essentially the same info.

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Sep 24, 2019 15:22:28   #
Junebugg71
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Angee,

How many times are you going to ask the same question?

You've asked:

"18-55 IS STM (kit lens) vs 75-300 iii telephoto" on Sept. 22.
"What Lens???" on Sept. 23.
"Canon Lens Questions" today, Sept. 24.

The answers haven't changed. They're still the same!

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM "renewed" lens you found on Amazon looks like a really good deal.

In the description Amazon explains exactly what "renewed" means. It's simply a used lens. They don't exactly say who, but someone has inspected it for condition, proper function and, if necessary, cleaned it. They offer a 90 day "store" warranty on it. Amazon will repair or (more likely) replace the lens if it fails during that time period. This is basically the same as buying used from B&H Photo, Adorama, KEH.com and a number of other reputable sources for used gear.

It is different from buying "refurbished" from Canon. "Factory refurbished" from Canon USA have a full 1 year warranty, same as new. Refurbished lenses also may have been used... but may be demo units that saw little real use, were displayed in a store or at a trade show... Might even be brand new items in shelf-worn boxes. Or they could just be returned overstock or back stock in Canon's own distribution network. Of course, it also could be an item that was returned due to a fault, has been repaired by the techs trained and equipped to do so by Canon themselves and using "genuine" Canon parts. In a sense, "refurbished" may even be better than new.... Could very well have gotten more hands-on inspection and individual attention than a brand new item going through a quick quality control check after coming off the assembly line.

Both Canon USA and Amazon (direct) are good about replacing an item or even accepting an outright returned item if you decide you don't want it for some reason within a week or two of purchase.

That "renewed" lens on Amazon looks to be a pretty good deal at $140. That lens sells for $299 new and $240 refurbished.

Your other question in your other post, relates to the filter thread size of lenses.

Your Canon EOS Rebel SL2 is an interchangeable lens camera... The camera itself does not have a filter thread.

The EF-S 18-55mm kit lens that you got with your SL2 has a 58mm filter thread. This is merely the diameter of filter you would need to buy, should you choose too use on on that lens (Note: Circular polarizers are by far the most useful filters for digital photography. Virtually all other filters... and there are dozens of types... are completely unnecessary or only needed for specialized purposes.)

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens you are considering also uses a 58mm filter. In other words, the two lenses can easily share a filter, since you can only use one lens on the camera at a time.

The other lens you ask about, the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM, is smaller. It's a "fast" lens, meaning that it has a larger maximum aperture. It's f/1.8 setting allows in over 4X the light the f/4 of your 18-55mm (at 18mm) or the 55-250mm (at 55mm).... or over 8X the light those other lenses allow in at f/5.6 (18-55mm at 55mm or 55-250mm at 250mm).

This will be good for low light situations. It also will make for nice background blur effects (shallow depth of field), which can be useful for portraits.

The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens uses a smaller 49mm filter. So it will not be able to easily share filters with the other two lenses. The best thing would be to buy the correct size for this lens, if you feel the need for a filter on it. (Portraiture and low light shooting generally don't require any filters.)

There is a way to use oversize filters on lenses... inexpensive "step rings". This is simply a ring that has one size of threads on one side and a different size on the other. To use a 58mm filter on a lens with 49mm filter threads you'd need a 58mm to 49mm step ring. HOWEVER, there's a down side to using step rings. You can't use the standard lens hood with the step ring. And, in my opinion, the lens hood is much more important (they improve images AND physically protect the lens... they also protect the filter from breakage and shade it from the sun, if using a filter). Personally I avoid using step rings for this reason. I just buy the correct size filter for my lenses with different diameters.

The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens on an APS-C camera will act as a short telephoto... ideal for portraiture and a lot of other things.

It's not a "standard" or "normal" lens (neither telephoto nor wide angle), the way a 50mm lens is on "full frame" cameras.

If you are looking for a standard/normal lens, a better choice might be Canon's EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM ($120 refurbished)... which is a "slightly wide normal". This is an especially compact "pancake" lens, too. Canon's EF 28mm f/1.8 USM or Sigma's 30mm f/1.4 lenses are both closer to "normal" lenses when used on a camera like yours... but are also considerably more expensive, bigger and heavier.

All these lenses can serve you well. The only other thing I'd encourage you to do is to by the "matched" lens hood for each of them... and use it! Canon lenses (other than the L-series), don't come with lens hoods. They're sold separately. Your EF-S 18-55mm lens uses "EW-63C" lens hood. The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens uses "ET-63" lens hood. And the 50mm f/1.8 STM lens uses "ES-68" (Note: This lens has a fairly recessed front element, so might not need a lens hood for regular use... though I'd recommend one if planning to use a filter or for better physical protection of the lens.) Canon's OEM hoods typically cost at least $24 apiece. There are third party manufacturers offering "clones" for a lot less. Vello, JCC and others sell similar "dedicated" hoods that probably work just as well, for about 1/3 less or half the price of Canon OEM.

All these lenses can serve you for a long time. They may be all you ever need and are quite capable. The photographer's knowledge and skill are more important than the camera and lens. You might find other things you want to do and may want to add some other lenses in the future. In previous post you asked about doing macro and close-up photography... and to an extent you can do that with the above lenses along with a set of macro extension tubes. However, if you really enjoy it and find yourself doing a lot of macro work, you might eventually want to add a true macro lens. There are a number of those available (Canon themselves make a half dozen or so, including the compact EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM). Or, perhaps you'll decide you want a wider lens to be able to take more panoramic landscape photos or capture expansive building interiors (one option is Canon's relatively inexpensive, but quite good EF-S 10-18mm IS STM lens). Or maybe you will find you need a portable flash... the ones built into cameras are wimpy, in the worst possible place for redeye problems, and draw heavily on the camera's battery.

I would suggest you don't get too many lenses or accessories to start, though. Two or three lenses, tops. Work with them for a while. Find out what you like to do. Then add or change if you need to. Don't overwhelm yourself with too much, too soon! You would be better learning what to use when and how to use it well... and this comes with experience and practice. To speed things up you might want to take a basic class locally or online and buy some books:
https://www.amazon.com/David-Buschs-Canon-Digital-Photography/dp/1681983389/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Exposure-Fourth-Photographs-Camera/dp/1607748509/ref=sr_1_1?

Back when we were shooting film, most of use passed it off to someone who developed and printed it. Today with digital, we do most of that ourselves. Your camera came with software that can be used to organize and work with the photos you take. But you might find other software, such as Adobe Elements 2019 more of an "all in one" solution and easier to use. This is an add'l cost, of course... plus it takes a little while to learn to use it well. (Again, classes and books are available... but there's a lot of support built right into Elements.)

Have fun!

P.S. I'm going to copy this to your other post, too, where you are requesting essentially the same info.
Angee, br br How many times are you going to ask... (show quote)


You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustrating you with the same questions. Since my TBI 30 years ago, I can't understand or retain things as quickly or easily as I used to, and daily, it is getting increasingly worse. I can read and read, but things disappear or get all jumbled up in my head all the time. For example, I know exactly how I want to ask my questions, but they don't necessarily always come out as I intend them to. Obviously something wasn't "clicking" for me mentally, prompting me to ask the same question a different way. Sorry it's frustrating for you, but it's even more frustrating for me!

I wanted to start taking photos again because it allows me a small escape, I end up with something beautiful to look at that I can keep and look back on to remember, and I don't have to constantly think, think, think to try to sort something out inside my head...or at least I thought not, but maybe trying to start over, with a memory deficit, is a mistake on my part.

Before the TBI, I knew the computer and the camera inside and out; not digital, I learned on a Pentax K1000, and the darkroom was one of my favorite places to spend an afternoon.
Now, it's like a foreign language to me and it's VERY discouraging to sit and ask questions I know I already have the answers to, and can't even access them from my memory bank. I'm not trying to make excuses, it just is what it is. Simple as that.

That said, thanks for answering....again....but your snippy remarks really aren't any thing I need. I beat myself up enough without anybody else's help.

Before I leave, however, regarding those repetitive posts....without going into detail at the time, I very specifically ask for patience from the forum.

Regardless, I won't be asking any more questions. ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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Sep 24, 2019 15:28:56   #
Bike guy Loc: Atlanta
 
Junebug71
No one requires you to read all the posts or respond to them

amfoto1 wrote:
Angee,

How many times are you going to ask the same questions?

You've asked:

"18-55 IS STM (kit lens) vs 75-300 iii telephoto" on Sept. 22.
"What Lens???" on Sept. 23.
"Canon Lens Questions" today, Sept. 24.

The answers haven't changed. They're still the same!

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM "renewed" lens you found on Amazon looks like a really good deal.

In the description Amazon explains exactly what "renewed" means. It's simply a used lens. They don't exactly say who, but someone has inspected it for condition, proper function and, if necessary, cleaned it. They offer a 90 day "store" warranty on it. Amazon will repair or (more likely) replace the lens if it fails during that time period. This is basically the same as buying used from B&H Photo, Adorama, KEH.com and a number of other reputable sources for used gear.

It is different from buying "refurbished" from Canon. "Factory refurbished" from Canon USA have a full 1 year warranty, same as new. Refurbished lenses also may have been used... but may be demo units that saw little real use, were displayed in a store or at a trade show... Might even be brand new items in shelf-worn boxes. Or they could just be returned overstock or back stock in Canon's own distribution network. Of course, it also could be an item that was returned due to a fault, has been repaired by the techs trained and equipped to do so by Canon themselves and using "genuine" Canon parts. In a sense, "refurbished" may even be better than new.... Could very well have gotten more hands-on inspection and individual attention than a brand new item going through a quick quality control check after coming off the assembly line.

Both Canon USA and Amazon (direct) are good about replacing an item or even accepting an outright returned item if you decide you don't want it for some reason within a week or two of purchase.

That "renewed" lens on Amazon looks to be a pretty good deal at $140. That lens sells for $299 new and $240 refurbished.

Your other question in your other post, relates to the filter thread size of lenses.

Your Canon EOS Rebel SL2 is an interchangeable lens camera... The camera itself does not have a filter thread.

The EF-S 18-55mm kit lens that you got with your SL2 has a 58mm filter thread. This is merely the diameter of filter you would need to buy, should you choose too use on on that lens (Note: Circular polarizers are by far the most useful filters for digital photography. Virtually all other filters... and there are dozens of types... are completely unnecessary or only needed for specialized purposes.)

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens you are considering also uses a 58mm filter. In other words, the two lenses can easily share a filter, since you can only use one lens on the camera at a time.

The other lens you ask about, the Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM, is smaller. It's a "fast" lens, meaning that it has a larger maximum aperture. It's f/1.8 setting allows in over 4X the light the f/4 of your 18-55mm (at 18mm) or the 55-250mm (at 55mm).... or over 8X the light those other lenses allow in at f/5.6 (18-55mm at 55mm or 55-250mm at 250mm).

This will be good for low light situations. It also will make for nice background blur effects (shallow depth of field), which can be useful for portraits.

The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens uses a smaller 49mm filter. So it will not be able to easily share filters with the other two lenses. The best thing would be to buy the correct size for this lens, if you feel the need for a filter on it. (Portraiture and low light shooting generally don't require any filters.)

There is a way to use oversize filters on lenses... inexpensive "step rings". This is simply a ring that has one size of threads on one side and a different size on the other. To use a 58mm filter on a lens with 49mm filter threads you'd need a 58mm to 49mm step ring. HOWEVER, there's a down side to using step rings. You can't use the standard lens hood with the step ring. And, in my opinion, the lens hood is much more important (they improve images AND physically protect the lens... they also protect the filter from breakage and shade it from the sun, if using a filter). Personally I avoid using step rings for this reason. I just buy the correct size filter for my lenses with different diameters.

The EF 50mm f/1.8 STM lens on an APS-C camera will act as a short telephoto... ideal for portraiture and a lot of other things.

It's not a "standard" or "normal" lens (neither telephoto nor wide angle), the way a 50mm lens is on "full frame" cameras.

If you are looking for a standard/normal lens, a better choice might be Canon's EF-S 24mm f/2.8 STM ($120 refurbished)... which is a "slightly wide normal". This is an especially compact "pancake" lens, too. Canon's EF 28mm f/1.8 USM or Sigma's 30mm f/1.4 lenses are both closer to "normal" lenses when used on a camera like yours... but are also considerably more expensive, bigger and heavier.

All these lenses can serve you well. The only other thing I'd encourage you to do is to by the "matched" lens hood for each of them... and use it! Canon lenses (other than the L-series), don't come with lens hoods. They're sold separately. Your EF-S 18-55mm lens uses "EW-63C" lens hood. The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens uses "ET-63" lens hood. And the 50mm f/1.8 STM lens uses "ES-68" (Note: This lens has a fairly recessed front element, so might not need a lens hood for regular use... though I'd recommend one if planning to use a filter or for better physical protection of the lens.) Canon's OEM hoods typically cost at least $24 apiece. There are third party manufacturers offering "clones" for a lot less. Vello, JCC and others sell similar "dedicated" hoods that probably work just as well, for about 1/3 less or half the price of Canon OEM.

All these lenses can serve you for a long time. They may be all you ever need and are quite capable. The photographer's knowledge and skill are more important than the camera and lens. You might find other things you want to do and may want to add some other lenses in the future. In previous post you asked about doing macro and close-up photography... and to an extent you can do that with the above lenses along with a set of macro extension tubes. However, if you really enjoy it and find yourself doing a lot of macro work, you might eventually want to add a true macro lens. There are a number of those available (Canon themselves make a half dozen or so, including the compact EF-S 60mm f/2.8 USM). Or, perhaps you'll decide you want a wider lens to be able to take more panoramic landscape photos or capture expansive building interiors (one option is Canon's relatively inexpensive, but quite good EF-S 10-18mm IS STM lens). Or maybe you will find you need a portable flash... the ones built into cameras are wimpy, in the worst possible place for redeye problems, and draw heavily on the camera's battery.

I would suggest you don't get too many lenses or accessories to start, though. Two or three lenses, tops. Work with them for a while. Find out what you like to do. Then add or change if you need to. Don't overwhelm yourself with too much, too soon! You would be better learning what to use when and how to use it well... and this comes with experience and practice. To speed things up you might want to take a basic class locally or online and buy some books:
https://www.amazon.com/David-Buschs-Canon-Digital-Photography/dp/1681983389/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Exposure-Fourth-Photographs-Camera/dp/1607748509/ref=sr_1_1?

Have fun!

P.S. I'm going to copy this to your other post, too, where you are requesting essentially the same info.
Angee, br br How many times are you going to ask... (show quote)

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Sep 24, 2019 15:37:14   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž
Me again....

I am looking to purchase both, a telephoto and a prime lens.ย  Want to stay in the $300-350 range, total.

This is the telephoto I'm looking at on Amazon, but what does "(renewed)" mean??ย  Is that the same as refurbished??ย 

Canon EF-S 55-250mm F4-5.6 is STM Lens for Canon SLR Cameras (Renewed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010FAU86K/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_bAGIDbJXW30VA

This is the prime 50mm f/1.8 I am looking at this one on Amazon.ย 
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_ojGIDbD7SDR05

For the 50mm, reviews states improvements such as metal mount, sturdier barrel and AF/MF switch, larger focus ring, grippy matte finish and STM.ย  However, it also states thread size is 49mm instead of 58mm, which is what my SL2 has.ย 

Now, do all "nifty fifty" lenses have a 49mm thread?ย  Would the 50mm stand alone as an everyday lens without having to pair it with filters/tubes, etc, or would I have to buy even more items dedicated to just this 1 lens, or do they make a 58mm thread for it? If it's on Amazon, I'm just so tired, I'm apparently overlooking it....but If it's a stupid question, and they don't or can't make those number configurations, please go easy on me. I'm the first to admit numbers are NOT even close to being my strong suit.ย  I think that's why I find aperture, shutter speed, and ISO so difficult to grasp. Numbers, numbers, and more numbers...ใ€Šsighใ€‹ I read and YouTube everything I can, trying to "get it", but it just gets overwhelming and my brain turns to mush. ๐Ÿคฏ

Anyway, I digress, but I do have just one more question (for now)....

For someone like me, who's just doing this as a hobby with my daughter, are these lenses ones that will be ok for a long while, without the need to upgrade?

I just want some decent lenses to take nice, crisp pictures for us to have and enjoy; maybe put some in scrapbooks and such for future generations.ย  I'm not looking to file bankruptcy with constant upgrades, become a pro, or be featured in NatGeo or anything. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜

Thanks in advance!
Angee
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž br Me again.... br br... (show quote)


1. go to the canon usa refurbished site, they sell factory certified lenses with the same 1 year warranty as new in box.
2. The kit lens you got (18-55?) fits with the 55-250, but neither are high end, high image quality lenses. They are good but not great. Great costs $$$$ and Pro-Excellent costs $$$$$.
3. the 50 mm you are looking at is not much better but it is faster (in a lens "faster" means it will take images in lower light or at higher shutter speeds in good light) look below and see an f-stop/aperture chart. The bigger the number the smaller the opening and the less light gets to the sensor)
4. the "thread" has nothing to do with mounting on the camera, for your camera any lens with a Canon EF mount and those with an EF-S (has an extra part to prevent it mounting on a Canon full frame camera) Your body is not full frame, it has a smaller sensor called an APS-C and lenses made for it often have a rear element that projects out further-on a FF Canon it can hit the mirror and damage the lens and mirror. But the EF lenses made for FF bodies will fit on your camera and your sensor will only use the center of the image from the lens - usually the highest IQ area of the image circle.
5. the "thread" is the diameter of the screw threads on the front of the lens for mounting filters etc. one of my lenses uses 95 mm.
6. and none of those numbers has anything to do with how "far" a lenses will focus, most can focus out to infinity. there are exceptions, the closest focus distance though varies from lens to lens and lens type, macro (to nikon micro) lenses will focus so close that the subject is life size on the sensor. I have an old VHS Video camera in a box in the garage that focuses so close the front of the lens will hit the subject - I had it happen doing stop motion animation of a small diorama once.


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Sep 24, 2019 15:58:10   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustrating you with the same questions. Since my TBI 30 years ago, I can't understand or retain things as quickly or easily as I used to, and daily, it is getting increasingly worse. I can read and read, but things disappear or get all jumbled up in my head all the time. For example, I know exactly how I want to ask my questions, but they don't necessarily always come out as I intend them to. Obviously something wasn't "clicking" for me mentally, prompting me to ask the same question a different way. Sorry it's frustrating for you, but it's even more frustrating for me!

I wanted to start taking photos again because it allows me a small escape, I end up with something beautiful to look at that I can keep and look back on to remember, and I don't have to constantly think, think, think to try to sort something out inside my head...or at least I thought not, but maybe trying to start over, with a memory deficit, is a mistake on my part.

Before the TBI, I knew the computer and the camera inside and out; not digital, I learned on a Pentax K1000, and the darkroom was one of my favorite places to spend an afternoon.
Now, it's like a foreign language to me and it's VERY discouraging to sit and ask questions I know I already have the answers to, and can't even access them from my memory bank. I'm not trying to make excuses, it just is what it is. Simple as that.

That said, thanks for answering....again....but your snippy remarks really aren't any thing I need. I beat myself up enough without anybody else's help.

Before I leave, however, regarding those repetitive posts....without going into detail at the time, I very specifically ask for patience from the forum.

Regardless, I won't be asking any more questions. ๐Ÿ˜ญ
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustratin... (show quote)


Don't stop asking questions and don't let one person get you down. Most everyone on the Hog is happy to be helpful even if a bit of patience is needed at times. I doubt that amfoto was aware of the issues you are dealing with. I wasn't, but, I wasn't aware of your multiple posts either. The fact is that there are a few on here that seem to delight in asking the same question over and over. For what reason, I have no idea. It can be annoying though. If you are sincere, and you seem to be, then you have no need to apologize to anyone and certainly no reason to stop asking questions.

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Sep 24, 2019 16:00:48   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustrating you with the same questions. Since my TBI 30 years ago, I can't understand or retain things as quickly or easily as I used to, and daily, it is getting increasingly worse. I can read and read, but things disappear or get all jumbled up in my head all the time. For example, I know exactly how I want to ask my questions, but they don't necessarily always come out as I intend them to. Obviously something wasn't "clicking" for me mentally, prompting me to ask the same question a different way. Sorry it's frustrating for you, but it's even more frustrating for me!

I wanted to start taking photos again because it allows me a small escape, I end up with something beautiful to look at that I can keep and look back on to remember, and I don't have to constantly think, think, think to try to sort something out inside my head...or at least I thought not, but maybe trying to start over, with a memory deficit, is a mistake on my part.

Before the TBI, I knew the computer and the camera inside and out; not digital, I learned on a Pentax K1000, and the darkroom was one of my favorite places to spend an afternoon.
Now, it's like a foreign language to me and it's VERY discouraging to sit and ask questions I know I already have the answers to, and can't even access them from my memory bank. I'm not trying to make excuses, it just is what it is. Simple as that.

That said, thanks for answering....again....but your snippy remarks really aren't any thing I need. I beat myself up enough without anybody else's help.

Before I leave, however, regarding those repetitive posts....without going into detail at the time, I very specifically ask for patience from the forum.

Regardless, I won't be asking any more questions. ๐Ÿ˜ญ
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustratin... (show quote)


Don't be sorry. Everyone is a bit different in learning and memory etc - my wife says I started out as a Neanderthal and am now getting to be an old Neanderthal with memory/mental problems.
However I did 35 years in the classroom, it takes a different mind set to keep working with new people who ask the same questions over each year. And often multiple people with the same question in each class period each year. Repeated questions are a fact of life in teaching. If you can't handle it you need to look into another line of work.
amfoto1 is one of our more knowledgeable members here on the UHH and as you noticed can do long detailed analysis of a subject. But he sometimes forgets he is exceptional and others have to repeat stuff to get it or make a decision.

Keep asking questions - it is one of the main ways we learn. Two of the more common little signs of "wisdom" put up by teachers in the Jr and Sr High Schools were I taught were:
There are no dumb questions, only dumb answers.
Ignorance is not a crime, but failing to do something about it should be.

In class I put up signs for my students that defined three words as used a lot in school:
Dumb - not very intelligent
Stupid - a way of acting, maybe because you are dumb, but maybe you are acting like you aren't intelligent
Ignorant - You don't know something. Everyone on this Earth is ignorant, it depends on the subject of the moment. And "Ignorant" is curable. We call that cure "learning".

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Sep 24, 2019 16:00:55   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
robertjerl wrote:
1. go to the canon usa refurbished site, they sell factory certified lenses with the same 1 year warranty as new in box.
2. The kit lens you got (18-55?) fits with the 55-250, but neither are high end, high image quality lenses. They are good but not great. Great costs $$$$ and Pro-Excellent costs $$$$$.
3. the 50 mm you are looking at is not much better but it is faster (in a lens "faster" means it will take images in lower light or at higher shutter speeds in good light) look below and see an f-stop/aperture chart. The bigger the number the smaller the opening and the less light gets to the sensor)
4. the "thread" has nothing to do with mounting on the camera, for your camera any lens with a Canon EF mount and those with an EF-S (has an extra part to prevent it mounting on a Canon full frame camera) Your body is not full frame, it has a smaller sensor called an APS-C and lenses made for it often have a rear element that projects out further-on a FF Canon it can hit the mirror and damage the lens and mirror. But the EF lenses made for FF bodies will fit on your camera and your sensor will only use the center of the image from the lens - usually the highest IQ area of the image circle.
5. the "thread" is the diameter of the screw threads on the front of the lens for mounting filters etc. one of my lenses uses 95 mm.
1. go to the canon usa refurbished site, they sel... (show quote)


Thanks for the charts. Always handy when people ask questions. Did you notice that 11 should actually be 11.2?

Edit: And 22 would become 22.4. Maybe technically correct but rather cumbersome.

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Sep 24, 2019 16:06:05   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
Thanks I'll read these links.

I guess I just don't understand it though. My 18-55mm f/4-56 and the Canon EF-S 55-250mm IS STM are both f/4-5.6....except mm, these two have the very same aperture numbers.

I mean I obviously get that the 55-250mm focuses at a greater distance, but other than that, with the same aperture #, I don't understand the difference.

Looks like I need Photography For Dummies, and see if that can dumb it down for me. I know y'all have to feel like you're talking in circles with me. I'm sorry. ๐Ÿ˜”
Thanks I'll read these links. br br I guess I j... (show quote)


Both lenses can focus at the same longer distances (infinity), however the 55-250 will may fill the frame with the subject at longer focal lemgths.

Both these threads (of mine) here on UHH may be helpful (Intro to exposure and "Some thoughts arising from a question asked earlier. "Eye vs equipment"").

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-573456-1.html

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-565006-1.html

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Sep 24, 2019 16:10:20   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
LFingar wrote:
Thanks for the charts. Always handy when people ask questions. Did you notice that 11 should actually be 11.2?


You are welcome, but if we get into too many picky details we turn people off and make things more complicated.

An example is learning math with the value of 'pi' as 3.14 when is really has no end. Makes life simpler.

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Sep 24, 2019 16:10:54   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustrating you with the same questions. Since my TBI 30 years ago, I can't understand or retain things as quickly or easily as I used to, and daily, it is getting increasingly worse. I can read and read, but things disappear or get all jumbled up in my head all the time. For example, I know exactly how I want to ask my questions, but they don't necessarily always come out as I intend them to. Obviously something wasn't "clicking" for me mentally, prompting me to ask the same question a different way. Sorry it's frustrating for you, but it's even more frustrating for me!

I wanted to start taking photos again because it allows me a small escape, I end up with something beautiful to look at that I can keep and look back on to remember, and I don't have to constantly think, think, think to try to sort something out inside my head...or at least I thought not, but maybe trying to start over, with a memory deficit, is a mistake on my part.

Before the TBI, I knew the computer and the camera inside and out; not digital, I learned on a Pentax K1000, and the darkroom was one of my favorite places to spend an afternoon.
Now, it's like a foreign language to me and it's VERY discouraging to sit and ask questions I know I already have the answers to, and can't even access them from my memory bank. I'm not trying to make excuses, it just is what it is. Simple as that.

That said, thanks for answering....again....but your snippy remarks really aren't any thing I need. I beat myself up enough without anybody else's help.

Before I leave, however, regarding those repetitive posts....without going into detail at the time, I very specifically ask for patience from the forum.

Regardless, I won't be asking any more questions. ๐Ÿ˜ญ
You know what amfoto1, I'm so sorry I'm frustratin... (show quote)


JuneBugg - we welcome questions. Believe me, you are not the only one who forgets what they posted.

You should look at "My topics" link at the top of the page - it's the bottom right link in that list. It lists the topics you've posted and you can go back and review the answers, handy as a shopping aid, too, when you decide to buy. Also, since almost everyone on here is super-helpful, if you remind us when you post to kindly direct you to previous answers, we would be glad to help.

This can be a very valuable forum as you rebuild your neural pathways.

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Sep 25, 2019 07:21:32   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž
Me again....

I am looking to purchase both, a telephoto and a prime lens.ย  Want to stay in the $300-350 range, total.

This is the telephoto I'm looking at on Amazon, but what does "(renewed)" mean??ย  Is that the same as refurbished??ย 

Canon EF-S 55-250mm F4-5.6 is STM Lens for Canon SLR Cameras (Renewed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010FAU86K/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_bAGIDbJXW30VA

This is the prime 50mm f/1.8 I am looking at this one on Amazon.ย 
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_ojGIDbD7SDR05

For the 50mm, reviews states improvements such as metal mount, sturdier barrel and AF/MF switch, larger focus ring, grippy matte finish and STM.ย  However, it also states thread size is 49mm instead of 58mm, which is what my SL2 has.ย 

Now, do all "nifty fifty" lenses have a 49mm thread?ย  Would the 50mm stand alone as an everyday lens without having to pair it with filters/tubes, etc, or would I have to buy even more items dedicated to just this 1 lens, or do they make a 58mm thread for it? If it's on Amazon, I'm just so tired, I'm apparently overlooking it....but If it's a stupid question, and they don't or can't make those number configurations, please go easy on me. I'm the first to admit numbers are NOT even close to being my strong suit.ย  I think that's why I find aperture, shutter speed, and ISO so difficult to grasp. Numbers, numbers, and more numbers...ใ€Šsighใ€‹ I read and YouTube everything I can, trying to "get it", but it just gets overwhelming and my brain turns to mush. ๐Ÿคฏ

Anyway, I digress, but I do have just one more question (for now)....

For someone like me, who's just doing this as a hobby with my daughter, are these lenses ones that will be ok for a long while, without the need to upgrade?

I just want some decent lenses to take nice, crisp pictures for us to have and enjoy; maybe put some in scrapbooks and such for future generations.ย  I'm not looking to file bankruptcy with constant upgrades, become a pro, or be featured in NatGeo or anything. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜

Thanks in advance!
Angee
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž br Me again.... br br... (show quote)


I am sorry, but this is your third or forth post basically asking the same question over and over again. Please do us all a favor and come up with a new question.

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Sep 25, 2019 07:49:46   #
machia Loc: NJ
 
I own the 50mm f1.8. You wonโ€™t be disappointed. Fast lenses, prime, nothing like them. Great value too. You can pick one up for 125.00 or less. Look at the Canon site for refurbished, I did, and bought one for 89 bucks.

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Sep 25, 2019 10:28:40   #
ecurb1105
 
Junebugg71 wrote:
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž
Me again....

I am looking to purchase both, a telephoto and a prime lens.ย  Want to stay in the $300-350 range, total.

This is the telephoto I'm looking at on Amazon, but what does "(renewed)" mean??ย  Is that the same as refurbished??ย 

Canon EF-S 55-250mm F4-5.6 is STM Lens for Canon SLR Cameras (Renewed) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B010FAU86K/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_bAGIDbJXW30VA

This is the prime 50mm f/1.8 I am looking at this one on Amazon.ย 
Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 STM Lens https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00X8MRBCW/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_apa_i_ojGIDbD7SDR05

For the 50mm, reviews states improvements such as metal mount, sturdier barrel and AF/MF switch, larger focus ring, grippy matte finish and STM.ย  However, it also states thread size is 49mm instead of 58mm, which is what my SL2 has.ย 

Now, do all "nifty fifty" lenses have a 49mm thread?ย  Would the 50mm stand alone as an everyday lens without having to pair it with filters/tubes, etc, or would I have to buy even more items dedicated to just this 1 lens, or do they make a 58mm thread for it? If it's on Amazon, I'm just so tired, I'm apparently overlooking it....but If it's a stupid question, and they don't or can't make those number configurations, please go easy on me. I'm the first to admit numbers are NOT even close to being my strong suit.ย  I think that's why I find aperture, shutter speed, and ISO so difficult to grasp. Numbers, numbers, and more numbers...ใ€Šsighใ€‹ I read and YouTube everything I can, trying to "get it", but it just gets overwhelming and my brain turns to mush. ๐Ÿคฏ

Anyway, I digress, but I do have just one more question (for now)....

For someone like me, who's just doing this as a hobby with my daughter, are these lenses ones that will be ok for a long while, without the need to upgrade?

I just want some decent lenses to take nice, crisp pictures for us to have and enjoy; maybe put some in scrapbooks and such for future generations.ย  I'm not looking to file bankruptcy with constant upgrades, become a pro, or be featured in NatGeo or anything. ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜

Thanks in advance!
Angee
Good morning everybody!! ๐ŸŒž br Me again.... br br... (show quote)


As your camera is a half frame or crop sensor, I'd suggest a 35mm lens, f2 or 1.8, as a normal lens instead of the 50mm.

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