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Sep 23, 2019 20:23:53   #
RickTaylor
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I still have a Craftsman socket set from about 1961. Snap-On might make good tools, but I've never had a Craftsman tool break. There is such a thing as over-paying in the hope of getting better quality. One of my favorite expressions is, "You get what you pay for." Translation: "You leave the store with what you bought." Totally meaningless.


For the average home owner or home mechanic craftsman tools are fine. They will no hold up to everyday use in a shop environment

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Sep 23, 2019 20:34:51   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Imagemine wrote:
Seems like everyone talks about everything on a camera except durability. I'm not saying talking about other features are bad things but people seem to leave out the build quality of a camera, that is the reason pros that shoot sports, wildlife & documentary seem to stick with Canon & Nikon by a large margin


You could be right but I have shot only Nikons for the past 15 years and have enjoyed their ergonomics, ease of use and image quality. Never have been or will be a pro and not concerned with 150,000 shutter activations. Just me.

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Sep 23, 2019 21:17:20   #
global
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Thanks for your comment. As a door gunner in Vietnam with a Marine helicopter squadron, HMM-265 we often carried photographers into battle. One we carried frequently carried a Nikon F and a Leica M3 with both hanging on a strap around his neck. Looking back I am always sorry I never took the time to get to know him or even find out his name. But he sure had some well worn cameras. He seemed to put a lot of faith in those two brands even though the base PX offered Pentax Spotmatic cameras as well as Nikon and Canon. How odd that those two brands are STILL way up there in sales compared to other brands.

Dennis
Thanks for your comment. As a door gunner in Viet... (show quote)


Thank you to all you Vets for your service. Had to say that!

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Sep 23, 2019 22:36:40   #
User ID
 
Timmers wrote:
I'm sorry, I just can't help myself when I read such clap trap.

During the Viet Nam Conflict (see I can be PC and call it a conflict and not a war!) there were ONLY two cameras that survived in the field, that was the Nikon camera with it's titanium shutter and Leica with it's rubberized cloth shutter. To add to that, during heavy wet conditions, the Nikons failed, while the M series Leicas worked pretty well, to pretty well, the Non M series Leicas were good to go.

I myself have had non-M Leicas go under sea water while tide pooling and these cameras are not considered water proof one went three plus feet in sea water with out taking on water (it was down there for 10 minutes).

As to Nikons, they do not fare well in dust and sand. You could have all the Nikons you wanted during Desert Storm, piles of them, the photojournalists switched to Canon DSLRs because the handled the desert conditions a lot better. This I got from Mrs. Marianna Smothers Bruni, who was there reporting on the war (oppsie, I mean conflict!), of course she sent her Nikon D's home and used her Leica M cameras, with no problems.

One other note, I used a Canon camera, but finally gave up on it because it was such a piece of junk. I had one of their 'L' zooms and the rear lens mount was such a poor excuse for engineering that the cheap metal flange bent while in it's Canon carry lens bag that it went on to the body but would not come loose, off to Canon to discover it was bent, ever so slightly. A plus thousand dollar lens so badly made that I decided I would leave the disposable digital camera body behind and use old Leica and Zeiss optics thus getting rid of half the photography problems in this digital age.
I'm sorry, I just can't help myself when I read su... (show quote)


I've read this post twice. Credibility rating: ZERO.
Reason: Conflicting claims and irrational "facts".

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Sep 23, 2019 23:11:04   #
lightyear
 
Camera durabilty is less meaningful than technical obsolescence or poor design. My Nikon D70 still works well, but cannot produce images comparable to my D810, irrespective of the pixel count. However camera designs and quality continue to change , and the only way to determine how rugged a camera body/lens is to evaluate the specific model you arte interested in. Some cameras are more moisture/dust/impact resistant than others due to their design. Both Nikon and Canon market lenses with plastic mounts that can and do crack amd/or break ( making the lens unusable) even when the camera/lens are in a camera bag which is being violently moved about ( as in loading a car or an airport luggage trolley). Some metal lens mounts are thin and flimsy. Current lens designs incorporate many internal plastic mounting components which by definition have a limited life compare to the machined metal components formerly used. The inexpensive molded plastic parts robotically assembled now replace the formerly costly assembly. The 3rd party ( Tamron, Tokina, etc.) lens builders also now make them the cheap way. The superior design/assembly of Leica has a miniscule market.

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Sep 23, 2019 23:22:03   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Achieving your goals is never as important as buying the newest camera.

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Sep 24, 2019 00:39:31   #
Bill P
 
Remember, each iteration will have things cheaped out.

A friend and I were talking yesterday, and I was bemoaning the construction of MF Nikkors. There were details that are lost. The focusing helix would have one part made of brass and the other aluminum. they laster longer and hardly ever needed grease. Focusing was as smooth as butter. Now, we get plastic and more plastic and some thick grease.

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Sep 24, 2019 08:49:38   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Imagemine wrote:
Seems like everyone talks about everything on a camera except durability. I'm not saying talking about other features are bad things but people seem to leave out the build quality of a camera, that is the reason pros that shoot sports, wildlife & documentary seem to stick with Canon & Nikon by a large margin


It used to be more important film days when film technology from 1950 was largely the same as 1980 and the electronics evolved at a slower pace ... and most everything was a metal body anyway.

I remember NIKON running a print ad about two Antarctic explorers who had lost the hammer used for driving tent stakes in the ice ... so they alternated using each others F4s to pound in the stakes and, amazingly, at the end of the journey both worked fine albeit a bit battered.

I have a D7200 and part of the reason was its metal chassis.

It feels in the hand very similar in solidity to my F4s, F3, F2 and F models.

My next pickup will likely be a one owner low miles Df.

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Sep 24, 2019 09:52:14   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
ronpier wrote:
You could be right but I have shot only Nikons for the past 15 years and have enjoyed their ergonomics, ease of use and image quality. Never have been or will be a pro and not concerned with 150,000 shutter activations. Just me.


Nikon ergonomics have improved substantially from the F2 onward. My FTn has THE WORST ergonomics of any 35mm camera I have ever used. My F3 is one of the best.

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Sep 24, 2019 13:48:18   #
Bill P
 
burkphoto wrote:
Nikon ergonomics have improved substantially from the F2 onward. My FTn has THE WORST ergonomics of any 35mm camera I have ever used. My F3 is one of the best.


What? You didn't like the film loading with the removable back?

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Sep 24, 2019 14:46:30   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
burkphoto wrote:
Nikon ergonomics have improved substantially from the F2 onward. My FTn has THE WORST ergonomics of any 35mm camera I have ever used. My F3 is one of the best.


The motor drive largely corrects that, and IMHO the F3 was the best MF SLR of all time while the F4s was the best AF film SLR.

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Sep 24, 2019 17:57:24   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Bill P wrote:
What? You didn't like the film loading with the removable back?


No, that back was exactly what ticked me off, every 37 exposures! I had to keep a pants pocket clean and empty, just to hold it while changing film cassettes.

The shutter release was in an awkward position, too, and the Advance — Rewind collar around it made the button difficult to press. I always used a "soft release" button or a cable release. Still, after a long day of work with the camera, my index finger felt as though it had severe arthritis (in my teens!). I had to bend it backwards just to reach the button while holding the camera.

The FTn finder meter unit was always loose, from day one out of the box, letting dust onto the focusing screen and into the mirror chamber. Zooming a lens sucked air in around it.

Of course, 1/60 second 'X' flash sync was pretty limiting, too...

My, how far things have come! The FTn WAS a reliable beast, though. It was tough as nails, and very serviceable. Lots of them are still working today.

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Sep 24, 2019 19:50:25   #
Bill P
 
burkphoto wrote:
No, that back was exactly what ticked me off, every 37 exposures! I had to keep a pants pocket clean and empty, just to hold it while changing film cassettes.

The shutter release was in an awkward position, too, and the Advance — Rewind collar around it made the button difficult to press. I always used a "soft release" button or a cable release. Still, after a long day of work with the camera, my index finger felt as though it had severe arthritis (in my teens!). I had to bend it backwards just to reach the button while holding the camera.

The FTn finder meter unit was always loose, from day one out of the box, letting dust onto the focusing screen and into the mirror chamber. Zooming a lens sucked air in around it.

Of course, 1/60 second 'X' flash sync was pretty limiting, too...

My, how far things have come! The FTn WAS a reliable beast, though. It was tough as nails, and very serviceable. Lots of them are still working today.
No, that back was exactly what ticked me off, ever... (show quote)


It's very simple. The Nikon engineers looked at a Leica with its removable bottom plate, and said, "What can we do that will be more annoying?" They found the answer, but fortunately they didn't carry things on to digital as Leica did with the retro battery and card access on the digital M's. Don't miss that a bit.

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Sep 29, 2019 01:35:01   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Bill P wrote:
Two different things.


Exactly.

Take a Samsung and a Sonim XP-1 as an example.
The Samsung would take the cake on build quality.
The Sonim can be run over with truck and will still work.

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Sep 29, 2019 10:30:52   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
All this talk about cameras that can be run over by truck and still work so what. I look for camera manufacturers to build high quality camera products that produce better quality photographs with the best quality lenses too hand in hand together, companies like Canon, Nikon,Sony do this. Chasing after camera companies that make gimmickry things do nothing for me.

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