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Sep 21, 2019 09:16:15   #
ngrea Loc: Sandy Spring, Maryland
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
There's only two types of people in the world: buyers and subscribers.


There are 3 types. I am very happy with GIMP. It’s free. No subscription. No buying. Does everything I need, and more. Easy to use and learn, with lots of potential to learn more. I think it does just about everything the others do except you need to convert RAW.

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Sep 21, 2019 09:49:48   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
I have photoshop installed on 3 of my 4 computers but I got the subscription, just for photoshop, so that I would have RAW file support for my Canon 6DII. I am very happy with it after 4 months.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:42:48   #
rcarol
 
Collhar wrote:
"There has been a lot of discussion on this forum about the high cost of Adobe's subscription service, about $120/year as I recall."
High cost??????


I hope that I didn't lead anybody to believe that I thought that $120/year was a "high cost". I certainly think that it is more than reasonable considering all that you get. However, there are individuals on this forum that believe that this is outlandishly excessive. So, my point was that the non-subscription applications can get quite expensive if you upgrade every time there is a new release.

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Sep 21, 2019 10:49:52   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
It's so easy to go along, be part of the crowd, to subscribe ...

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Sep 21, 2019 10:53:17   #
Cwilson341 Loc: Central Florida
 
camerapapi wrote:
I am going to give you a simple advise. If you want the BEST your files have to offer use the proprietary editor for your camera brand. I use Nikon cameras and my first edit is done with Nikon View NX-2.
When I use my Olympus bodies then it is Olympus Workspace. Photoshop or Affinity Photo are used after my first steps with proprietary software. Topaz Adjust AI is used to enhance those files that in my humble opinion need enhancement.

Affinity Photo is a great editor. I bought it when it was offered for $48 and it has everything anyone could need to edit RAW or JPEG files. Photoshop Elements is also very good and no subscription is needed.
I am going to give you a simple advise. If you wan... (show quote)


My thoughts are much the same. I started with Nikon Capture NX2 but moved to Photoshop Elements when I changed cameras and it was not supported by Capture NX2. I moved to Affinity when it became available for PCs. I love the software, the price was great and, to date, I have had no further expense with Affinity. I only resort to the extra step of using the free Nikon software when I feel I am not satisfied with the raw conversion from Affinity. That is seldom but I have it available.

I use the Topaz AI apps frequently as a plug in from Affinity and occasionally use Studio or NIK for creative enhancements. This combination of software can handle more than I need!

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Sep 21, 2019 11:09:52   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
ngrea wrote:
There are 3 types. I am very happy with GIMP. It’s free. No subscription. No buying. Does everything I need, and more. Easy to use and learn, with lots of potential to learn more. I think it does just about everything the others do except you need to convert RAW.


I think there is a program that will convert raw files for GIMP. (URAW?)

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Sep 21, 2019 11:37:49   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
I debated for a long time on whether I should subscribe or not as I have photoshop on other computers. But I subscribed because I got a new computer as a main computer and I am happy that I did. The cost is what it is and it works great.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:17:29   #
BlueMorel Loc: Southwest Michigan
 
Photography is one of my hobbies. At $10 a month it costs less than some of my other hobbies did. And it pays me back in enjoyment. Besides, Adobe's products work well.

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Sep 21, 2019 12:32:35   #
TucsonDave Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
rcarol wrote:
There has been a lot of discussion on this forum about the high cost of Adobe's subscription service, about $120/year as I recall. Perhaps it's a little less if you pay for it annually. I don't remember because it's not all that important to me. But that leads me to the other side of the equation: Purchasing non-subscription applications in lieu of Adobe's subscription services. Which really cost more? I have been receiving email offers for the new On1 Raw, Luminar 4 and others. On1 Raw is being offered as an upgrade for $80 and considerably more if you don't have a previous version. Luminar 4 is being offered for $60 as an upgrade and more if you don't own a previous version. Then there are others such as Aurora 2019, Infinity, NIK, Topaz, DxO and list goes on and on. Each of these programs has at least one annual upgrade which you will get at a reduced price if you have a previous version, Just upgrading Luminar and On1 Raw will cost you more than a year's subscription to Adobe's package. I'm not sure how you can justify the cost of the non-subscription applications if you own a couple of them. I realize that you're not forced to upgrade these programs but in time your old applications will become obsolete.

Your thoughts.........
There has been a lot of discussion on this forum a... (show quote)


In part, your choice of subscription or not is dependent on what a program will accomplish for you. If you just work on good photograph composition, etc. when you take your photos than your post production work can be minimized. If you don't need the program to also be a photo manager, like me, than I would suggest Affinity Photo. I have used it for 3 years and it more than meets MY needs. They have provided 3 major updates at no extra cost. For $50 cost - total- I have not seen the need to change. Good luck!

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Sep 21, 2019 12:38:03   #
photoman022 Loc: Manchester CT USA
 
I use Photoshop Elements (14). It cost $50 at Costco (plus the cost of membership, but I also get my 11x14s done there and eat all the samples I can!) and haven't upgraded in the past 5 (going on 6) years. I still haven't plumbed the depths of PSE and I won't get another version until my computer breaks down (or something similar happens). My history professor used to say, "You pays your money, you takes your chances."

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Sep 21, 2019 12:39:01   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The subscription gives ordinary people the chance to use the same software as the rich.

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Sep 21, 2019 14:14:06   #
rcarol
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The subscription gives ordinary people the chance to use the same software as the rich.


You may not realize it but that statement is very profound. It does act as a financial equalizer.

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Sep 21, 2019 15:42:25   #
JBGLADSTONE Loc: Oregon
 
ON1 RAW 2020
This is the newest updated program from ON1. It has all the same features plus more as LR/PS without a monthly fee.
The layout theme is has been to parallel LR/PS, in fact, you can use ON1 with LR/PS. The latest version has many, many presets which gives you a wide variety of quick solutions.
ON1 offers you numerous ways to save your photos.

No prescriptions just like PSE( Photoshop Elements ) for just a few dollars more. I suggest you go to YouTube and watch various videos on PSE18/19, ON1, Topaz, LR/PS, and ETC. I have learned many new techniques from these videos.

ON1 has a very large base of videos on YouTube and almost weekly they present a new or explain a direction for improving your photos.

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Sep 21, 2019 15:59:01   #
GPoyner Loc: North Dakota
 
I use PaintShop Pro and AfterShot, it's been a number of years since I've upgraded it; but have no problems with it (just used it today) and my upgrade price for those two items and even the video editor was still less then your yearly price (granted I've been a Corel customer for many years). Plus I get more than what Adobe was offering for a fraction of the costs.

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Sep 21, 2019 17:31:19   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
JBGLADSTONE wrote:
ON1 RAW 2020
This is the newest updated program from ON1. It has all the same features plus more as LR/PS without a monthly fee.
The layout theme is has been to parallel LR/PS, in fact, you can use ON1 with LR/PS. The latest version has many, many presets which gives you a wide variety of quick solutions.
ON1 offers you numerous ways to save your photos.

No prescriptions just like PSE( Photoshop Elements ) for just a few dollars more. I suggest you go to YouTube and watch various videos on PSE18/19, ON1, Topaz, LR/PS, and ETC. I have learned many new techniques from these videos.

ON1 has a very large base of videos on YouTube and almost weekly they present a new or explain a direction for improving your photos.
ON1 RAW 2020 br This is the newest updated program... (show quote)


Disclaimer: I have not tried ON1 (yet).

ON1 has been widely touted as a replacement for LR/PS. I found a review that lays out some similarities and differences at https://photographylife.com/lightroom-vs-on1. It appears that ON1 has some advantages over LR and LR has other advantages over ON1. The review appears to me to imply that ON1 is easier to learn. Note that the review referenced above applies to a 2019 version of ON1.

ON1 appears to cost about $100 (https://www.on1.com/store/) although it's $80 as an upgrade. I have not shopped for lower prices, nor do I know how frequently upgrade offers occur, nor how often you will need to upgrade. I would say that this is really comparable to the LR/PS price for a year. It all depends on how long you can hang on to an aging program. Personally, I consider the Adobe price to be quite good. It's cheap compared to what LR/PS used to cost, and well below many people's level of annual impulse purchase totals.

In my aging memory I seem to recall a statement that ON1 will read the sidecar files from LR and use them for edits. However, at the time I read that, the edits were not exactly the same as the LR edits. This is not surprising since the sidecar files are basically text files with slider settings. Every piece of software uses its own algorithms so the results of a given slider setting will vary between programs. I do not know how much the variation is. I suspect it's small, since otherwise they would not advertise it as compatible. I have not been able to find that reference.

Also, it appears that 2019 is the current ON1 program and the 2020 version is available as beta.

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