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Sep 18, 2019 10:48:05   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Marino wrote:
I and buying the Nikon D750, I have the D5300, with nikon lenses 18-55 kit lense, Nikon 35 mm 1.8 dx, and Nikon 55 - 300 mm dx. My question is if I should keep the 35mm and the 55-300 to used with my new camera, or should I sell the D5300 and all the lenses. I am very interested in improving IQ. Should I use only FX lenses. Please any light on this is welcome.


The D5300 is a 24Mp camera and the D750 is a 24Mp camera, because fewer of the 24Mp are used on the D750 when a DX lens is attached and all other things being equal, the performance may not be as good on the D750 as it is on the D5300. On my D800, which has a 36Mp sensor I use my old DX lenses because my D800 uses about 17Mp for DX lenses and my old DX lenses were used on a D90 with a 12Mp sensor yielding better performance on the D800. In actuality I only use my 10-24mm DX lens on the D800 because I have FX lenses for focal lengths between 24 and 300mm and I cannot justify the cost of the 14mm FX lens.

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Sep 18, 2019 10:50:19   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
rehess wrote:
I would keep the entire D5300 kit and use it as “backup”. You already know how it works, and it’s resale value is limited.


Yes, and you might find you prefer the D5300 to the D750 kit. The kit is lighter and smaller and you get to use the fully articulated screen.

For your longer lens on the D750 consider the FX version of the AF-P 70-300 VR. This is a different lens than the two DX versions. It has great image quality. But it weighs half again the DX versions. About $600.

Since I can use the FX 70-300 on my D5600 I may get rid of my DX version. I bought a gray market one and have about $200 in it. I find I use the D5600 more than my Z6 so may continue to keep it for travel.

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Sep 18, 2019 10:53:57   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
bpulv wrote:
The D5300 is a 24Mp camera and the D750 is a 24Mp camera, because fewer of the 24Mp are used on the D750 when a DX lens is attached and all other things being equal, the performance may not be as good on the D750 as it is on the D5300. On my D800, which has a 36Mp sensor I use my old DX lenses because my D800 uses about 17Mp for DX lenses and my old DX lenses were used on a D90 with a 12Mp sensor yielding better performance on the D800. In actuality I only use my 10-24mm DX lens on the D800 because I have FX lenses for focal lengths between 24 and 300mm and I cannot justify the cost of the 14mm FX lens.
The D5300 is a 24Mp camera and the D750 is a 24Mp ... (show quote)


The D800 allows using all five image areas with DX lenses. Not sure if the D750 does. The Z6 does not: it defaults to DX image area and won't let you change it with a DX lens attached.

I found some of my DX lenses filled the frame on my D800 for some of the image areas up to FX. At least for some range of zoom. Test your DX lenses over the zoom range to see before you send them down the road.

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Sep 18, 2019 11:00:14   #
sv3noKin51E
 
Marino, not being contrary or snarky. Others would suggest you sell all of your DX gear. If you like it, a back up camera that you really know and like, makes a great backup. Discounting the debate of Dx vs Fx, we use them all. I have certain Dx lenses that work fine for some things on the Fx, and the camera almost always switches automatically to adapt. I use Fx lenses on the D7200 with fantastic results. My take is that one shouldn't have to divest themselves of a known good camera and/or lenses, just because you want to expand your horizons to full frame. There are always going to be pluses and minuses, and you can work around any of them to get the shot you want. (I have an old street-sweeper 24-120mm AF) that I is one of the lenses that Nikon made that wasn't made better by sticking VR on it, and it travels with me always.

Don't know if you're interested in going to long-reach, super-telephoto, we have an affinity for the Tamron 150-600mm lens. Have used the G1 and G2; when the comes down a bit, I'll trade one of the G2s. We used this with Dx and Fx and get great photos; it's proven itself on wildlife, landscape and the monthly moon shoots:). Do what's best for you and your budget; happy shooting. sv

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Sep 18, 2019 11:01:28   #
Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx
 
Fotomacher wrote:
Why does everyone thing that FX is an “upgrade” from DX. Consider getting a D500 which is a pro quality DX body and don’t fret your lenses. The D500 is a much better camera than a D750.


DxOMark rates the D750 sensor at a 93 and the D500 sensor at 84, mainly due to low light performance, but the D750 has a higher color depth and better dynamic range as well. The D750 is 24.3mp and the D500 is 20.9mp. I have a D500 and it's a great camera for wildlife, especially birding and sports, but when I'm shooting most anything else, I bring out the FF.

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Sep 18, 2019 11:20:51   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Marino wrote:
I and buying the Nikon D750, I have the D5300, with nikon lenses 18-55 kit lense, Nikon 35 mm 1.8 dx, and Nikon 55 - 300 mm dx. My question is if I should keep the 35mm and the 55-300 to used with my new camera, or should I sell the D5300 and all the lenses. I am very interested in improving IQ. Should I use only FX lenses. Please any light on this is welcome.


A great camera and best of luck!! But the world of FX is not very conducive to DX lenses. You can purchase lenses made for both but I don’t think yours are. Look at some of the 3rd Party lenses. Very nice quality at a much more agreeable price.

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Sep 18, 2019 11:28:28   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
ronpier wrote:
A great camera and best of luck!! But the world of FX is not very conducive to DX lenses. You can purchase lenses made for both but I don’t think yours are. Look at some of the 3rd Party lenses. Very nice quality at a much more agreeable price.


All FX lenses will work on DX cameras - so in essence, made for both.

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Sep 18, 2019 11:41:06   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
Gene51 wrote:
All FX lenses will work on DX cameras - so in essence, made for both.


What I said was that DX lenses do not work well in the world of FX. Yes, FX lenses work well with DX cameras. I have three of them. But if I had an FX camera I would not be able to use my DX lenses at full resolution.

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Sep 18, 2019 11:44:15   #
duck72 Loc: Laurel Ridge, PA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
You should sell all three lenses and buy replacements. Using a DX lens on a 24MP D750 essentially "throws away" nearly 60% of the image data. Instead of a 24MP FX camera, with DX lenses it will be a 10MP DX camera. Sort of defeats the whole purpose of buying a full frame camera.

It will be a WHOLE LOT more expensive, but FX lenses are what's needed with FX cameras.

The D750 with 24-150mm is a pretty good deal, costing $500 add'l for the lens when it's bought in kit with the camera. Bought separately, the 24-120mm normally costs about $1100. This lens will take the place of your 18-55mm DX. You'll probably get between $50 and $110 selling your 18-55mm, depending upon condition and which version it is.

The AF-S Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 isn't too expensive, at $200. It takes the place of your 35mm f/1.8 DX. You can probably get about $90 to $120 selling the 35mm lens, depending upon condition.

The best way to get approx. 55-300mm equivalent "reach" on a full frame camera is a Nikkor AF-S 200-500mm f/5.6, currently on sale for around $1250. A reasonable alternative that's a little longer is the Tamron 150-600mm "G2" which is selling for about $1300 right now. Both those lenses are considerably bigger and heavier than your 55-300mm. Some alternative for full frame that's closer to the same size and weight, but doesn't have quite as much reach, are the Tamron and Sigma 100-400mm lenses, each of which sells for around $700. I recommend the Tamron because it can optionally be fitted with a tripod mounting ring (sold separately, $129). The Sigma doesn't have that option. You can probably get about $175 to $200 for your 55-300mm lens.

So you're looking at net cost for lenses of at least $1100, in addition to the cost of the camera, if you opt for one of the 100-400mm lenses without a tripod ring. Or, for the longer telephotos, you're looking at around $1600, in addition to the cost of the camera.

The 150-600mm or 200-500mm are also about triple the weight and double the size of your 55-300mm. The 24-150mm is also about triple the weight and at twice the size of your 18-55mm.

The 50mm f/1.8 and 35mm f/1.8 are fairly similar in size and weight.

You'll see better image quality with the 24MP full frame camera... in prints bigger than 13x19mm. For prints smaller than that or images shared online, don't expect to see much difference from what you can do with your 24MP D5300. The other advantage of the full frame camera is that it will probably be usable at higher ISOs, with less digital noise in images. The full frame camera's low light autofocus capabilities might be more of a limitation than image noise at high ISOs. Full frame also has ability to render shallower depth of field effects, but fairly large aperture lenses are needed for that. The 50mm f/1.8 will have some potential, but the other lenses aren't particularly "fast". (Note: Depth of field doesn't actually change with different sensor size... it's only effected by aperture, focal length and relative distances. But when you go from DX to FX, in order to frame a subject the same way you either need to move closer or use a longer focal length, giving the impression of shallower DoF.)
You should sell all three lenses and buy replaceme... (show quote)


I rarely desire prints smaller than 13x19mm (good post)

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Sep 18, 2019 12:05:14   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Why would you ask the UHH members such a question? Are you not capable of making this decision by yourself?! I'm not trying to be a wiseass here but this is a decision you should be making yourself. First, why would you spend the money for a full frame camera then use crop lenses on it? Use full frame lenses on your full frame camera and keep the D5300 as a backup camera and for those times when a crop camera is called for.


rmorisson1116 Once again you've shown us that you truly are an ass.

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Sep 18, 2019 12:10:25   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
It has been several years since I left the Nikon universe, after ~40 years there, beginning with an F and then a lot of film bodies through the F100 before switching to digital with the D100 and ending up with a D7000 (DX) and D600 (FX). I kept my many FX lenses when I switched to digital, and only "upgraded" to FX during the last few of my Nikon years to get the wide angle benefit of my 17-35/2.8. (My only DX lens was the 18-70/3.5-4.5 - with the better low light performance of the D7000 compared to film it turned out I didn't really need the 2.8 apertures I paid so dearly for in the film days.)

Except for the wider coverage from wide angle lenses, I don't think I saw any real improvement in my images from the FX body. That is, in the couple of years when I used both, I never had the experience going through things in Lightroom to select, process and print the best, of thinking "WOW, that must be an FX image." I paid the money and carried the extra weight for FX in order to get the wider coverage from my widest lens, but I did NOT end up getting "better" quality in the image file, at least not that I noticed.

So I would ask, at the outset, what real-world "improvement" in IQ are you looking for from an FX body that will make the extra expense and the larger size and weight of the FX equipment worth it? And is it possible that you can get that improvement with better DX lenses on your current body? In retrospect I probably could have kept going indefinitely with Nikon DX bodies and lightened my load a bit if I had invested in the (usually) smaller and lighter DX lenses. Instead of dumping it all and moving to Micro Four Thirds, where I am DELIGHTED with the image quality from MUCH smaller and lighter kits of bodies and lenses.

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Sep 18, 2019 12:15:46   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
Marino wrote:
I and buying the Nikon D750, I have the D5300, with nikon lenses 18-55 kit lense, Nikon 35 mm 1.8 dx, and Nikon 55 - 300 mm dx. My question is if I should keep the 35mm and the 55-300 to used with my new camera, or should I sell the D5300 and all the lenses. I am very interested in improving IQ. Should I use only FX lenses. Please any light on this is welcome.


If you were to go with a D850, you could use your Dx lenses at around 19MP in Dx mode until you're able to replace your lenses with Fx glass. Not ideal, but still something to consider. I don't shoot Nikon, but I expect you'd get results similar to what I get with my Sony a7Riii (similar sensor) in crop mode. I get 18MP images in crop mode that are about as good as I got from my crop body.

Also, there are some advantages to shooting in Dx mode with an Fx camera (compared with shooting in Fx mode), so it's not all bad. Focus points will cover much more of the frame, and it's generally easier to shoot wildlife or other distant subjects because they will be larger (appear closer) in the viewfinder.

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Sep 18, 2019 12:17:26   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
TriX wrote:
👍👍 Completely agree. Sell everything and start with one good FX lens and then add to your inventory as you need/can afford it. Congrats on a great camera.


Agree with TriX. When I gave us my DX setup (Nikon d7100 and several lenses) I sold them all and got the full frame camera (Sony a7iii in my case) and one good lens. I've not regretted it although I'm starting to need more reach so am ready to add another lens.

Enjoy the change it will provide you with a great learning opportunity and probably better pictures.

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Sep 18, 2019 12:17:45   #
ronpier Loc: Poland Ohio
 
wrangler5 wrote:
It has been several years since I left the Nikon universe, after ~40 years there, beginning with an F and then a lot of film bodies through the F100 before switching to digital with the D100 and ending up with a D7000 (DX) and D600 (FX). I kept my many FX lenses when I switched to digital, and only "upgraded" to FX during the last few of my Nikon years to get the wide angle benefit of my 17-35/2.8. (My only DX lens was the 18-70/3.5-4.5 - with the better low light performance of the D7000 compared to film it turned out I didn't really need the 2.8 apertures I paid so dearly for in the film days.)

Except for the wider coverage from wide angle lenses, I don't think I saw any real improvement in my images from the FX body. That is, in the couple of years when I used both, I never had the experience going through things in Lightroom to select, process and print the best, of thinking "WOW, that must be an FX image." I paid the money and carried the extra weight for FX in order to get the wider coverage from my widest lens, but I did NOT end up getting "better" quality in the image file, at least not that I noticed.

So I would ask, at the outset, what real-world "improvement" in IQ are you looking for from an FX body that will make the extra expense and the larger size and weight of the FX equipment worth it? And is it possible that you can get that improvement with better DX lenses on your current body? In retrospect I probably could have kept going indefinitely with Nikon DX bodies and lightened my load a bit if I had invested in the (usually) smaller and lighter DX lenses. Instead of dumping it all and moving to Micro Four Thirds, where I am DELIGHTED with the image quality from MUCH smaller and lighter kits of bodies and lenses.
It has been several years since I left the Nikon u... (show quote)


Very good dissertation from someone who has been on both sides.

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Sep 18, 2019 12:20:09   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
wrangler5 wrote:
It has been several years since I left the Nikon universe, after ~40 years there, beginning with an F and then a lot of film bodies through the F100 before switching to digital with the D100 and ending up with a D7000 (DX) and D600 (FX). I kept my many FX lenses when I switched to digital, and only "upgraded" to FX during the last few of my Nikon years to get the wide angle benefit of my 17-35/2.8. (My only DX lens was the 18-70/3.5-4.5 - with the better low light performance of the D7000 compared to film it turned out I didn't really need the 2.8 apertures I paid so dearly for in the film days.)

Except for the wider coverage from wide angle lenses, I don't think I saw any real improvement in my images from the FX body. That is, in the couple of years when I used both, I never had the experience going through things in Lightroom to select, process and print the best, of thinking "WOW, that must be an FX image." I paid the money and carried the extra weight for FX in order to get the wider coverage from my widest lens, but I did NOT end up getting "better" quality in the image file, at least not that I noticed.

So I would ask, at the outset, what real-world "improvement" in IQ are you looking for from an FX body that will make the extra expense and the larger size and weight of the FX equipment worth it? And is it possible that you can get that improvement with better DX lenses on your current body? In retrospect I probably could have kept going indefinitely with Nikon DX bodies and lightened my load a bit if I had invested in the (usually) smaller and lighter DX lenses. Instead of dumping it all and moving to Micro Four Thirds, where I am DELIGHTED with the image quality from MUCH smaller and lighter kits of bodies and lenses.
It has been several years since I left the Nikon u... (show quote)


You must be a much better photographer than me (that's really not saying much), getting it right in-camera every time. In my case, I have a bad habit of shooting too wide then needing to crop -- sometimes extensively -- in post. I need full frame and lots of pixels. I also shoot quite a lot at night, so the greater sensitivity helps.

I went full frame several years ago and will never go back to crop.

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