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Sep 16, 2019 17:00:14   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BigBear wrote:
At least we have a proven system of values that has lasted for several generations.
It takes those without the values of Life, Liberty and Personal Responsibility to work at undermining all that is good about our Country.


I don’t known what “proven system of values that has lasted for several generations” that you refer to.
Simply because one believe’s in Trump, does not mean that others with different opinions are trying to undermine “Life, Liberty, and Personal Responsibility” as we know it.
This country is committed to a democratic process, with varied ideals, and beliefs; while still devoted to what is best for OUR country.

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Sep 16, 2019 18:18:59   #
Rose42
 
The huge flaw with this article is if Christians were only supposed to vote for sinless people then they’d never vote because there is no such thing. As SteveR mentioned they could also never vote for a party that supported abortion or normalization of sexual perversions.

As such the article really doesn’t mean anything.

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Sep 16, 2019 18:53:01   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Rose42 wrote:
The huge flaw with this article is if Christians were only supposed to vote for sinless people then they’d never vote because there is no such thing. As SteveR mentioned they could also never vote for a party that supported abortion or normalization of sexual perversions.

As such the article really doesn’t mean anything.


The huge flaw in your post is that while all are sinners, these are different conditions or varieties of sin and sinners. What might not be a sin for one American, is a serious sin for another. And, conversely, what is a sin for one, might be a lifestyle for another American. Not all value systems are alike. Murder is an accepted sin, but so is the stealing of a doughnut.
“Sexual perversion” certainly isn’t the same for Americans.
So, one votes for a “sinner”; but only a sinner whose sins are compatible or acceptable with the voter.

It follows, if one believes that a candidate who displays a lack of integrity, a lack of a moral compass, that it is acceptable to consistently misrepresent the truth, that it is fine to brag about one’s ability to grab a woman’s pussy, that a total lack of empathy for who were born with less, that takes unfair financial advantage as a career; then one votes accordingly.
We are all right; and, we are all wrong. We are all sinners, but my sins are small, when I might think other sins, that others commit will send them to Hell—no questions asked.
Your God doesn’t have the same values as the God that another American worships, and follow religiously.
Some Gods even like tolerance.

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Sep 16, 2019 19:22:08   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I don’t known what “proven system of values that has lasted for several generations” that you refer to.
Simply because one believe’s in Trump, does not mean that others with different opinions are trying to undermine “Life, Liberty, and Personal Responsibility” as we know it.
This country is committed to a democratic process, with varied ideals, and beliefs; while still devoted to what is best for OUR country.


If you don't know what the American values are, then you have a bit of learning to do.
Start reading the Constitution and Federal letters to find out what you have been missing.

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Sep 16, 2019 19:36:50   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BigBear wrote:
If you don't know what the American values are, then you have a bit of learning to do.
Start reading the Constitution and Federal letters to find out what you have been missing.


That is not an answer. I am every bit of an American as you are.
I seriously asked you what you meant, and you cannot respond.
What specific American values have been proven for generations? What precious values are proven? Whose values—-your, mine, or any other American are more important?
Don’t be a child—say something meaningful or go to bed.

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Sep 16, 2019 19:53:44   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
That is not an answer. I am every bit of an American as you are.
I seriously asked you what you meant, and you cannot respond.
What specific American values have been proven for generations? What precious values are proven? Whose values—-your, mine, or any other American are more important?
Don’t be a child—say something meaningful or go to bed.


I told you exactly where they are for you to read for yourself.

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Sep 16, 2019 20:02:51   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BigBear wrote:
I told you exactly where they are for you to read for yourself.


You are a joke, Sorry.

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Sep 16, 2019 20:07:07   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trump certainly has many admirable “principles”.
He is a principled man to the extreme. He likes to grab an occasional pussy, and has no regard for right or wrong, has no moral compass, does not regard truth to be important. Any “principles” he might have are totally twisted; and not consistent with any thing Christian.


Your answer deferred from my question....and from my response about JFK and LBJ.

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Sep 16, 2019 20:15:16   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
SteveR wrote:
Your answer deferred from my question....and from my response about JFK and LBJ.


I did not respond to your post that began "And Hillary was any better?"

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Sep 16, 2019 22:05:27   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I did not respond to your post that began "And Hillary was any better?"


You are a classic example of a liberal who feels they have to control the narrative and still call it a conversation.

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Sep 16, 2019 22:29:43   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
As long as the Democratic Party supports murder child abuse homosexuality. A Dem candidate will never get my vote.

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Sep 16, 2019 22:31:00   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
The huge flaw in your post is that while all are sinners, these are different conditions or varieties of sin and sinners. What might not be a sin for one American, is a serious sin for another. And, conversely, what is a sin for one, might be a lifestyle for another American. Not all value systems are alike. Murder is an accepted sin, but so is the stealing of a doughnut.
“Sexual perversion” certainly isn’t the same for Americans.
So, one votes for a “sinner”; but only a sinner whose sins are compatible or acceptable with the voter.

It follows, if one believes that a candidate who displays a lack of integrity, a lack of a moral compass, that it is acceptable to consistently misrepresent the truth, that it is fine to brag about one’s ability to grab a woman’s pussy, that a total lack of empathy for who were born with less, that takes unfair financial advantage as a career; then one votes accordingly.
We are all right; and, we are all wrong. We are all sinners, but my sins are small, when I might think other sins, that others commit will send them to Hell—no questions asked.
Your God doesn’t have the same values as the God that another American worships, and follow religiously.
Some Gods even like tolerance.
The huge flaw in your post is that while all are s... (show quote)


You have lived an outstandingly moral life?

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Sep 16, 2019 22:31:23   #
EyeSawYou
 
BigWahoo wrote:
None of those people were Christians; except Peter and Paul and their behavior that you reference was before the Christian religion was formed.

Using other peoples bad behavior to excuse Trumps behavior,and his supporters, is very Trump like.


So what? God chose those imperfect and bad people, so why shouldn’t Christians vote for Trump? Jesus himself chose imperfect and bad people, He didn’t chose the righteous. Your argument is weak at best.

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Sep 16, 2019 22:42:59   #
EyeSawYou
 
BigWahoo wrote:
This op-ed column reflects the opinions of its author, Michael C. Baxter.

"Do you call yourself a Christian? If you voted for Donald Trump, then you should no longer do so.

How do you teach your children that it is okay to lie? How do you teach them to it is okay to call other people ugly names?

How do you teach them it is not okay to bully other people? Do you tell them it is okay to bear false witness against their fellow man (or woman)?

What does the Bible say about "The Good Samaritan"? Oh, yeah. Did I read it to say "What a fool he was for caring about a man he never knew"? And the Samaritan didn't even stay around to reap some reward.

Donald Trump would probably send a lackey to see if the man had anything of value to steal.

Proverbs 6:19 says he that soweth discord among his brethren is an abomination unto the Lord. Where have I heard that term used before?

Yes, in the hatred spewed by Christians about homosexuals, but I guess it’s okay if Trump is an abomination unto the Lord.

If you lie down with dogs, then don't be surprised if you wake up with fleas.


Shame on our U.S. representative, Mike Johnson, and senators, John Kennedy and Bill Cassidy, for voting to give a trillion-dollar tax cut to ultra-millionaires and for voting against funding to continue such programs as Meals on Wheels and aid to local health clinics.

And for refusing to fund repairs to the bridges and roads.

All three claim to be Christians but have forgotten the passage: "I came for the poor, for the rich have their reward here on earth." Jesus said that. I guess Mr. Johnson and his pals want to make real sure their rich pals have an even bigger reward here on earth.


These three campaigned on repealing every line of Obamacare and replacing it with something better and cheaper. 

The only thing they replaced was more insurance lobbyist money in their pockets. Donald Trump didn't drain the swamp. He brought in the biggest alligators he could find.

If you say you don't care about his meanness, vulgarity and corruption because the economy is doing so well, then you are elevating money above character.

You cannot serve Mammon and God at the same time." Jesus said that (Mathew 6:24). "Being virtuous is not compatible with being greedy." Jesus also said that.

I loathe a liar, a bully and a coward and Donald Trump is all three."

https://www.shreveporttimes.com/story/opinion/2018/11/29/hate-liars-bullies-and-cowards-donald-trump-all-three/2131465002/
This op-ed column reflects the opinions of its aut... (show quote)


You know what I find ironic and hypocritical? You think Christians should not vote for Trump because of his character and that they should not consider themselves as Christians if they do. Yet you think a Christian business owner is wrong and unchristian if he/she refuses to bake a cake with a decoration that depicts homosexual marriage. lol

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Sep 16, 2019 22:50:20   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
EyeSawYou wrote:
So what? God chose those imperfect and bad people, so why shouldn’t Christians vote for Trump? Jesus himself chose imperfect and bad people, He didn’t chose the righteous. Your argument is weak at best.


So, inspired by Jesus, the American voter chose an imperfect and “bad” person to be president when electing Trump—just like Jesus would have done. Why would Jesus or the American voter want a righteous President to be the leader of the free world anyway?
If that is the Christian reasoning, it sucks.

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