Creativity with camera/phones (Page 3): If you main camera breaks during a wedding reception, not everyone will have a spare camera, but plenty of people will have a cell phone. If you...

Low Budget Dave

If you main camera breaks during a wedding reception, not everyone will have a spare camera, but plenty of people will have a cell phone. If you finish the assignment with the cell phone, you will find that the cell-phone camera will require some extra continuous lighting, and the cell-phone pictures require some extra post-processing.

But the client will be happier with you than if you simply missed the last half of the wedding reception.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Low Budget Dave wrote:

If you main camera breaks during a wedding reception, not everyone will have a spare camera, but plenty of people will have a cell phone. If you finish the assignment with the cell phone, you will find that the cell-phone camera will require some extra continuous lighting, and the cell-phone pictures require some extra post-processing.

But the client will be happier with you than if you simply missed the last half of the wedding reception.

As a past PROFESSIONAL wedding photographer I carried NOT ONE, buy TWO back up flashes and camera's. Any person photographing a wedding without a back up is not a professional and should not have taken on any assignment, let alone a ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT.

Low Budget Dave

billnikon wrote:

... Any person photographing a wedding without a back up is not a professional ...

I am sure you are right. But I am also sure that plenty of photographers have made mistakes over the course of their career, and some may have made even worse errors than that.

I am also sure that cell phone cameras are eating into the market for dedicated cameras. And that trend is not turning around any time soon.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Low Budget Dave wrote:

I am sure you are right. But I am also sure that plenty of photographers have made mistakes over the course of their career, and some may have made even worse errors than that.

I am also sure that cell phone cameras are eating into the market for dedicated cameras. And that trend is not turning around any time soon.

Disagree again. I am in contact with many camera store owners (old clients of mine from my Nikon rep time). They inform me that first time DSLR owners are increasing because they want to improve upon their cell phone camera results.
Please also note the increase in the variety of digital camera's, lenses, and accessories. Every time you turn around Sony, Olympus, Nikon, Fuji, Hasselblad, Leica, and Canon are bringing out new and improved versions, faster it seems then cell phone models.
Profits may be down for the big three but they are still introducing new models all the time and although profits may be down, production certainly is not.
Another trend is that YOUNGER FOLKS (unlike most of us here) are going mirrorless for their choice in digital. Canon and Nikon are trying to catch up to front runner Sony in this fast growing market.
And yes, this TREND is not going to turn around any time soon.

Low Budget Dave

billnikon wrote:

Disagree again. I am in contact with many camera store owners (old clients of mine from my Nikon rep time). [...]
Profits may be down for the big three but they are still introducing new models all the time and although profits may be down, production certainly is not.
[...].

"Up" is a relative term. (The number steadied a bit in 2017 at about 25 million total units, and then declined again in 2018 to 17 million total units).

Although this is a much higher number than it was in 1965, and the cameras are substantially better, the huge boom that was created by the introduction of the DSLR is gone. Some of those people will buy a new camera when their old one wears out, so the market is not dead, but it is not going back over 100 million units per year any time soon.

And the reason for that is because cell phones have gotten so much better.

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billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Low Budget Dave wrote:

"Up" is a relative term. (The number st... (show quote)

One graph does not tell the whole story about an industry. Lens sales are up, tripod sales are up, all camera accessories are up. Figures lie and liars figure.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Low Budget Dave wrote:

"Up" is a relative term. (The number st... (show quote)

Another example. Just found this, and many other articles confirm it.
"The latest numbers released today show that Q1 shipments of fixed-lens cameras remained flat while shipments of Interchangeable lens cameras were up"
Again, figures lie and liars figure. Depends a lot on who you want to believe.

Low Budget Dave

billnikon wrote:

Another example. Just found this, and many other articles confirm it.
"The latest numbers released today show that Q1 shipments of fixed-lens cameras remained flat while shipments of Interchangeable lens cameras were up"
Again, figures lie and liars figure. Depends a lot on who you want to believe.

There is always some way to read the news that ignores the statistics.

I am not saying that a cell phone can take as good pictures as a real camera; it (usually) can't. Nor am I saying that the market for ILC's is dead; it seems to have gone back to about where it was historically.

I am just saying that a bunch of people decide every month to leave their dedicated camera at home and just take their pictures of sunsets (or dogs or beachwear or whatever) with their cell phone.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/26/japanese-camera-companies-fight-for-survival-in-the-smartphone-era.html

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Low Budget Dave wrote:

There is always some way to read the news that ign... (show quote)

And a bunch of people are deciding every month to take their digital camera's just to take photographs of sunsets, dogs, or whatever and also take their phone with them.
No one really wins the argument here. We are both correct.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Low Budget Dave wrote:

There is always some way to read the news that ign... (show quote)

Lets have some fun. I will give you a current list of all the companies that are currently making digital camera's. You come up with a list of companies that actually currently making phones. Lets see who wins.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_digital_camera_brands#Active_consumer_camera_brands

via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP

What a stupid argument to get into! Who cares what someone else uses to photograph with? It's a personal choice, whatever gear you use and whatever subject you shoot. Some photographers can take great shots with a cellphone and some photographers can't take great shots with a high end dSLR. What's needed is the right tool at the right time to be used by someone who understands the tool and how to use it to an advantage. End of argument on this subject. Having said that, life is ever-changing and people who cannot adjust to the changes simply get left behind and if that makes them happy that's fine.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

via the lens wrote:

What a stupid argument to get into! Who cares wha... (show quote)

Oh boy, a new cog in the wheel. Thanks for continuing this post. I thought it was over. Guess not.

anotherview Loc: California

Unwatching because the posts have become jejune, again.

via the lens wrote:

What a stupid argument to get into! Who cares wha... (show quote)

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

billnikon wrote:

Can they make 30 second exposures with your phone? NO Then no thanks. And, yes, I use a tripod, but unfortunately, there is no 1/4 20 thread in a phone, too bad.
Can your phone isolate a bird in flight and give me a 20X30 print? NO, Well then, what use is that phone.
Can your phone make adjustments just to the sky up to 10 stops? NO, Well then, what use is that phone.

I don't need a phone to make a 30 sec exposure. I have any one of a half dozen cameras that can do that. On the other hand, some cell cameras allow long exposures with the native app and there are third party apps that do that as well.

https://ai.googleblog.com/2017/04/experimental-nighttime-photography-with.html?m=1

The new Pixel 4 is supposed to have an astrophotography mode.

Is a car a terrible form of transportation because it doesn't float on water?

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

Gene51 wrote:

I don't need a phone to make a 30 sec exposure. I have any one of a half dozen cameras that can do that. On the other hand, some cell cameras allow long exposures with the native app and there are third party apps that do that as well.

https://ai.googleblog.com/2017/04/experimental-nighttime-photography-with.html?m=1

The new Pixel 4 is supposed to have an astrophotography mode.

Is a car a terrible form of transportation because it doesn't float on water?

Phone camera's still cannot do everything that can be done with a digital DSLR. PERIOD.