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Sep 10, 2019 13:26:41   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Funny that you folks are not reading the title then the content....

VALOR vs LONGEVITY.

As typed, I know many great veterans of all ages. I also know some folks who are veterans but complete assholes (to be polite). They get 'recognition because they are old, not because of their valor.

THAT is what I question. Longevity IS NOT a show of valor yet this how you all react, bowing to the generic meaningless 'Thank you for your services'.


We get the point you mistakenly think you are making.

Still petty whining by a whiner...no matter how you want to spin it.

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Sep 10, 2019 13:30:49   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
pdsdville wrote:
I somehow get the feeling that you didn't sign that blank check to Uncle Sam to do with your life what he pleased. In other words you aren't a veteran. You're not one of the one percent that keeps us free, no matter what free country you reside. Maybe the will to 'remember' and 'recognize' is all the justification that is needed for what a vet has been through. You touched a sore spot with me considering an average of 22 vets a day are taking their own lives because of their experiences. Experiences no one should have to go through. Having to take a life under any circumstances cannot happen without repercussions, even if they are only in your own mind. But you are entitled to your opinion, and that's what they fought for.
I somehow get the feeling that you didn't sign tha... (show quote)


DILLY...DILLY!

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Sep 10, 2019 13:31:32   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic acts that saved lives. Some were not but volunteered to serve not knowing if they were going to be sent into combat never making it back home again. Some were drafted and went to Canada to avoid serving.

Some went into the service because their country called.

It is my opinion that all who went into the service were brave and deserve to be called a hero. If one was stationed in the United States or Germany but never knew when or if they they would get orders to a combat zone their lives were on edge. Many lived the rest of their lives in that combat zone. Many still carry the scars of combat and when alone still cry for the ones who didn’t come home alive.

The spouses and families of combat veterans must have lived a living hell while the vet was gone. Most got goose bumps when the door bell rang and if they opened the door and saw two people in uniform, they probably broke down.

In my mind, all veterans and their families are hero’s. If I had a son who was about to go into combat, I would much rather go myself than to send him.

Imagine how God must have felt when he sent his only son knowing that he would have been tortured and hung on a cross until he died.

I salute all vets and their families.

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Sep 10, 2019 14:58:20   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Wrangler wrote:
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic acts that saved lives. Some were not but volunteered to serve not knowing if they were going to be sent into combat never making it back home again. Some were drafted and went to Canada to avoid serving.

Some went into the service because their country called.

It is my opinion that all who went into the service were brave and deserve to be called a hero. If one was stationed in the United States or Germany but never knew when or if they they would get orders to a combat zone their lives were on edge. Many lived the rest of their lives in that combat zone. Many still carry the scars of combat and when alone still cry for the ones who didn’t come home alive.

The spouses and families of combat veterans must have lived a living hell while the vet was gone. Most got goose bumps when the door bell rang and if they opened the door and saw two people in uniform, they probably broke down.

In my mind, all veterans and their families are hero’s. If I had a son who was about to go into combat, I would much rather go myself than to send him.

Imagine how God must have felt when he sent his only son knowing that he would have been tortured and hung on a cross until he died.

I salute all vets and their families.
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic... (show quote)


Trying real hard to imagine how God feels. That a tough one for me.

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Sep 10, 2019 15:28:59   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Wrangler wrote:
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic acts that saved lives. Some were not but volunteered to serve not knowing if they were going to be sent into combat never making it back home again. Some were drafted and went to Canada to avoid serving.

Some went into the service because their country called.

It is my opinion that all who went into the service were brave and deserve to be called a hero. If one was stationed in the United States or Germany but never knew when or if they they would get orders to a combat zone their lives were on edge. Many lived the rest of their lives in that combat zone. Many still carry the scars of combat and when alone still cry for the ones who didn’t come home alive.

The spouses and families of combat veterans must have lived a living hell while the vet was gone. Most got goose bumps when the door bell rang and if they opened the door and saw two people in uniform, they probably broke down.

In my mind, all veterans and their families are hero’s. If I had a son who was about to go into combat, I would much rather go myself than to send him.

Imagine how God must have felt when he sent his only son knowing that he would have been tortured and hung on a cross until he died.

I salute all vets and their families.
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic... (show quote)



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Sep 10, 2019 16:39:49   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I just read an article about the death of a 96 years old veteran.

He was part of the paratroopers who jumped over Normandy, France.

That made me wonder what he did, compared to other who also jumped, that made him so different other than an advanced age.

I have met many veterans who are wonderful folks in more than one way but also total jerks that did really nothing other than being there for something. As these folks grow older there is a fake aura that is created around them.

That makes me wonder if we are not a bit hypocritical when we consider longevity as a measure of respect and valor.

I have seen many countries bestow medals and other recognition awards to folks over time w/o justification other than a will to 'remember' and 'recognize'.

This is anathema to me.
I just read an article about the death of a 96 yea... (show quote)


1. He made a very dangerous jump in WWII.
2. He fought for his country.
4. He repeated his jump at age 96.
5. My parents taught me to respect my elders.

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Sep 10, 2019 16:52:04   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Trying real hard to imagine how God feels. That a tough one for me.


I can’t tell you how God feels. I can only imagine. If you are honestly trying to imagine how God feels why don’t you ask him straight out.

That is what I usually do. I try very hard to be patient, and that is tough for me, but he always lets me know.

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Sep 10, 2019 16:53:23   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
I think your thought process needs some help. I know many veterans, and I can't think of one that is a jerk. So, the question becomes, who are you hanging out with.

A show of VALOR is going into the service and serving. PERIOD.

I have to say that I know a vet that's a first class grade A jerk. But I also have to say he was a jerk in grade school and a jerk in high school.

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Sep 10, 2019 16:56:00   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
skylane5sp wrote:
I have to say that I know a vet that's a first class grade A jerk. But I also have to say he was a jerk in grade school and a jerk in high school.


I know they are there, I just don't happen to know any:)

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Sep 10, 2019 17:37:01   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
Thanks for the common sense post. On Friday I will be married 50 years to my veteran.


Congrats

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Sep 10, 2019 17:41:44   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
We should respect those that have gone before us and protect the children coming after us.
I may not always agree with military action; but I respect those who have served, especially
those that have seen combat. As they have had the courage to do something that if I were
put in a similar situation I don't know what I would have done.

Also they would put it on the line to protect our country if the need arose.

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Sep 10, 2019 17:43:01   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Wrangler wrote:
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic acts that saved lives. Some were not but volunteered to serve not knowing if they were going to be sent into combat never making it back home again. Some were drafted and went to Canada to avoid serving.

Some went into the service because their country called.

It is my opinion that all who went into the service were brave and deserve to be called a hero. If one was stationed in the United States or Germany but never knew when or if they they would get orders to a combat zone their lives were on edge. Many lived the rest of their lives in that combat zone. Many still carry the scars of combat and when alone still cry for the ones who didn’t come home alive.

The spouses and families of combat veterans must have lived a living hell while the vet was gone. Most got goose bumps when the door bell rang and if they opened the door and saw two people in uniform, they probably broke down.

In my mind, all veterans and their families are hero’s. If I had a son who was about to go into combat, I would much rather go myself than to send him.

Imagine how God must have felt when he sent his only son knowing that he would have been tortured and hung on a cross until he died.

I salute all vets and their families.
Some vets were awarded medals for brave and heroic... (show quote)



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Sep 10, 2019 17:57:18   #
jcboy3
 
Rongnongno wrote:
I just read an article about the death of a 96 years old veteran.

He was part of the paratroopers who jumped over Normandy, France.

That made me wonder what he did, compared to other who also jumped, that made him so different other than an advanced age.

I have met many veterans who are wonderful folks in more than one way but also total jerks that did really nothing other than being there for something. As these folks grow older there is a fake aura that is created around them.

That makes me wonder if we are not a bit hypocritical when we consider longevity as a measure of respect and valor.

I have seen many countries bestow medals and other recognition awards to folks over time w/o justification other than a will to 'remember' and 'recognize'.

This is anathema to me.
I just read an article about the death of a 96 yea... (show quote)


Remember, recognize, honor, thank. Keep doing so until they're dead. Seems the least one can do.

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Sep 10, 2019 23:56:02   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Wrangler wrote:
I can’t tell you how God feels. I can only imagine. If you are honestly trying to imagine how God feels why don’t you ask him straight out.

That is what I usually do. I try very hard to be patient, and that is tough for me, but he always lets me know.



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Sep 11, 2019 03:20:02   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Rose42 wrote:
Amen to that. Those who've never done anything have no idea what these men have gone through


Like my old buddy.
Went thru basic.
Went to the coral island, and was very soon returned.
Spent two tours driving the honey truck for a stateside air base.
Qualifies as a Viet Vet.
The only action he ever saw was in the showers.
Drives a Toyota PU with a "POW/MIA flag on it. Well, until the Clippers win a game..
Has that "rough men" quote in his sig line.

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